RE: Oracle replication with EMC2

Hi  

We had a lengthy discussion about this at a previous site where the person in charge of wheeling this in refused to see our point or contact the vendor.

Our backup strategy revolved around BCV splits that we, the DBA team, did not approve of.

Above mentioned person knew better and refused to listen to all our concerns and advise. We had to get the vendor to send him some documents to point out to him that if you planned to use BCV for backup you'd have to put the tablespaces in backup mode.  

BCV's are restartable images, I believe is what they call these BCV splits. (been a while)    

Jack    

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[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] Namens Matthew Zito Verzonden: vrijdag 21 juli 2006 1:58
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Onderwerp: RE: Oracle replication with EMC2    

All a consistent split does, on the symmetrix, is freeze IOs to the volumes while the split is in progress. This is because a BCV relationship is like this:

Lun 1 - M1-M2--M3
Lun 2 - M1-M2--M3
Lun 3 - M1-M2--M3

Where each M is a physical disk. When you split them, its like a zipper pulling down:

Lun 1 - M1-M2-  -M3 (split completed)
Lun 2 - M1-M2- -M3 (split in progress)
Lun 3 - M1-M2--M3 (not split yet)

So, if you're striping with, say, a volume manager across those three luns, you could have a situation where you do a long write that covers all three luns, and since the split was in progress, one of the BCV disks got the write and the others didn't, resulting in inconsistent data.

The consistent split freezes the IOs, so that its impossible for a write to go to a disk that hasn't split yet. However, to the database, this still looks like a shutdown abort, or a server crash. EMC still recommends doing the begin backup before you do this.

Thanks,
Matt

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Subject: Re: Oracle replication with EMC2

 >>When they do the bcv mirror split, they don't inform Oracle (put
tablespaces in hot backup mode), so it seems these files will not be
 >> consistent for what  Oracle expects.

It is possible to have consistent backup without altering the
tablespaces in to backup mode, using a special type of split known as
consistent BCV splits. This method is supported by EMC for Oracle
database backups and mentioned in various documents. You need powerpath
or ECA for the consistent split to work. I/O to that device is frozen
while the split is underway.

Even then, I would be inclined to alter the tablespaces to backup mode
and then split.

Thanks
Riayj

Yechiel Adar wrote:


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>> consistent for what Oracle expects.


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