Re: testenvironment aix or Linux

On 08/12/2005 11:17:25 AM, Leandro Guimaraes Faria C. Dutra wrote:

> It is hardly used for proprietary systems. When you have a free
> software stack Debian is probably the best choice, with BSD a great
> alternative for specific systems like PostgreSQL.

Unfortunately, I work for neither of the two companies that fit that description.

>
> Free is not opposed to commercial.

Free, as in "free gas"? Yeah, I see a lot of that lately.

>
>
> > > Really? Why?
>
> > Because it seldomly created any problems. The thing with HP-UX is
> > that it just works.
>
> Hm... yes. But then it rarely does interesting things.

That is precisely what I'm looking for: a boring system that will do what it needs and nothing else. My interpration of the word "interesting" is "sleepless nights".

>
> I mean, HP-UX is configured 'out of the box' for doing only the
> strictly necessary to support proprietary systems like Oracle and whatnot.
> By contrast, Solaris or GNU/Linux is configured to give you nice
> interactive sessions and all that, specially GNU/Linux.

You mean Slowaris? Yeah, Ebay can testify to that. They almost went of business when their interesting SUN 10000 cluster crashed because of incorrectly handled CPU boards. I'm sure that their DBA was very much amused.

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> But we have already discussed this here.
>
>
> > I didn't start the fire, it was always burning , since the world's
> > been turning.
> > In other words, you were the one to start pushing Debian. Debian
> > faithful are like
> > Jehova's witnesses, fanatically devoted to their little cult and
> > hard to get rid of.
>
> Not at all. You misread your prejudices into my words. I just
> said that it has the best support, because you claimed Red Hat did without
> any qualifications; but then *I* did a big qualification by saying it is
> not (yet) for proprietary apps.

Let's not be splitting hairs. You're a Debian faithful. I'm an infidel. We're worlds apart. Debian still has some evolution to do, except in KS and TX.

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>
> > > > One of the two most popular RPM distros. No medal for the second
> place.
> > >
> > > HP-UX is the second or third more popular Unix, yet you like
> it
> > > better.
>
> > I like it the best, but not for the popularity reasons.
>
> Ah, double standards.

Not just double. Triple and quadruple standards, too. Depends on the purpose.

>
>
> > > That is precisely the point. When you run proprietary
> software on
> > > GNU/Linux, you are on your own -- actually your proprietary vendor has
> to
> > > support you. OSS is just such a vendor, like Oracle. If they support
> > > SuSE, use their support.
>
> > Eh, but the problem was located and they were supposed to answer my
> question.
> > They refused to do so. They were treated accordingly.
>
> Were they? Did their support terms stated they would support your
> specific, *proprietary* app? If so, I guess you'd gain much more by
> escalating than by mistreating someone.

The question was "how to change version string in your proprietary kernel"? Resolution was to download plain vanillla generic kernel from www.kernel.org, install it and scrap SuSE's proprietary crap.

>
> Anyway, your prob. I'm not a SuSE fanboy.

I could have sworn....

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