From oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 4 09:57:22 2005 Return-Path: Received: from air891.startdedicated.com (root@localhost) by orafaq.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j74EvMOJ032216 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:57:22 -0500 X-ClientAddr: 206.53.239.180 Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239.180]) by air891.startdedicated.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j74EvKIP032204 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:57:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C399C1DCCCF; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24461-03; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34D981DCA0D; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:57:14 -0500 (EST) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Subject: RE: dba mgt woes Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:55:21 -0400 Message-ID: <51327ABA927BEF4B96590554CEA7832C2906EB@enhbgpri05.pa.lcl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: dba mgt woes Thread-Index: AcWYZJZGWDEd722QSQuTzCC9p0rpNwAP8fpwABdvQfAFrom: "Freeman, Donald" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2005 14:55:21.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[89959E10:01C59904] X-archive-position: 23379 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dofreeman@state.pa.us Precedence: normal Reply-To: dofreeman@state.pa.us X-list: oracle-l From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-mailscan-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-mailscan-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on air891.startdedicated.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Good thread! I really enjoy mentoring and training but I like to see some results for my effort. Your junior dba needs to grasp how this process works. Somckit said, "As a manager you'll have to adjust yourself somewhat to each person's unique personality." I agree up to a point but I would say as a junior DBA you better be prepared to adjust yourself pretty completely to your managers personality. Steve Feuerstein mentioned a few rules in his book for PL/SQL coders and one of them was, "If your're stuck for more than 30 minutes on a problem, ask me." I agree with that suggestion. I also encourage people to work out their own solutions including using the multitide of discussion groups on line for suggestions. There is a lot of information out there on how, exactly, to get your answers from these groups. When I'm stuck I try very hard not to bother people in the office too much. It takes a light touch not to become a pest. I try to convey that to juniors as one of the essential work place skills that they must master. If this particular junior doesn't really enjoy problem solving, or possess the drive and persistance to solve problems that may involve catastrophic consequences then they may need to try something else. Everybody is not good at this. Don Freeman Database Administrator 1 Bureau of Information Technology Pennsylvania Department of Health 717-783-8095 Ext 337 -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org]On Behalf Of Paula_Stankus@doh.state.fl.us Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:33 PM To: oracle-l@freelists.org Subject: RE: dba mgt woes So, I have recently become a dba manager and I have a small issue. I have a junior dba new to scripting, sql, plsql, oracle. This scenario has happened a few times: -I request him to research something and recommend a certain route -he immediately writes the recommendation to users -he then writes me asking me how to do it, script it.... -I assist him in finding where to go or if I have a script I give it to him -he has trouble implementing the solution -he comes back to me with "your process does not work" -I discover it is how he has implemented it and correct it It is a frustrating experience and I wonder how to get him to take on the task and see it through to the end. Any ideas? When I was a junior dba I would implement something and ususally go a step farther - I would not go back to my boss instead chosing to "figure it out myself". Now I know why management is called damanagement. It is the same issue as to why children are convinced their parents are crazy. Who do you think pushed them over the edge? Trying to be supportive, teach how to fish but didn't figure on this interesting personality. 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