Re: dba mgt woes

I'd add one more line .. " and do all this before you send out any email to end users".

Raj

On 8/4/05, Paula_Stankus_at_doh.state.fl.us <Paula_Stankus_at_doh.state.fl.us> wrote:
>
> Thanks Matthew.
>
> Actually this person has been through the complete round of Oracle
> training. However, I think you are right - I should have said here is
> the problem - put together your recommendation and how you wish to
> implemenet the solution.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parker, Matthew [mailto:matthewp_at_amazon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:09 AM
> To: Stankus, Paula G; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Subject: RE: dba mgt woes
>
> So you might start by not recommending a certain route and let the
> Junior dba spread their wings a bit in participating in making the
> decision, instead of you making it for them. It would probably short
> circuit the next item ( he immediately writes the recommendation to
> users), since he probably will not want to stick his neck out in front
> of end users until he has a working solution. Also if they are not
> experienced in these areas you might have to change your training
> tactics. Although you can be commended for taking the initiative when
> you started out, people are different and learning tactics that worked
> for you, do not always work for others. Sometimes it is helpful to send
> people to training, along with periods of work in the area after each
> training session to reinforce what they were taught.
> I have found it useful in cases to take a complex script that you
> already have and break it down into it's component parts and hand those
> equivalent tasks to the Junior DBA:
>
> Connect to database.
> Execute query.
> Put results from database into a file or into a variable and then
> perform basic manipulations on that data set.
> Loops
> Executions of OS commands.
>
> You might give them training pages on the web to point to, then once
> they have performed some basics tasks, you can point them to already
> built script and have them break it down into what is being performed
> and why.
>
> If you want to teach others, then you as the teacher must make the extra
> effort to bridge the gap for the student. There is also a point that you
> may determine the person is not suited for this career, but that is a
> long way off, after much frustration and self reflection as to why your
> teaching methods are not working.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of
> Paula_Stankus_at_doh.state.fl.us
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:33 PM
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Subject: RE: dba mgt woes
>
> So,
>
> I have recently become a dba manager and I have a small issue.
>
> I have a junior dba new to scripting, sql, plsql, oracle. This scenario
> has happened a few times:
>
> -I request him to research something and recommend a certain route -he
> immediately writes the recommendation to users -he then writes me asking
> me how to do it, script it....
> -I assist him in finding where to go or if I have a script I give it to
> him -he has trouble implementing the solution -he comes back to me with
> "your process does not work"
> -I discover it is how he has implemented it and correct it
>
> It is a frustrating experience and I wonder how to get him to take on
> the task and see it through to the end.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> When I was a junior dba I would implement something and ususally go a
> step farther - I would not go back to my boss instead chosing to "figure
> it out myself".
>
> Now I know why management is called damanagement. It is the same issue
> as to why children are convinced their parents are crazy. Who do you
> think pushed them over the edge?
>
> Trying to be supportive, teach how to fish but didn't figure on this
> interesting personality.
>
> Sigh.
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