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Re: polyserve and oracle 10g
Re: polyserve and oracle 10g
thanks for the info and please convey my appreciation to kevin
as well. this helps a great deal. i'll keep you updated on
what the client decides and why and how the implementation goes.
take care,
haroon
- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:47:20 +0800
>From: Connor McDonald <mcdonald.connor_at_gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: polyserve and oracle 10g
>To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>
>I bounced the initial post off Kevin Closson at Polyserve, and he
>replied as follows:
>
><quote>
>
>>>i've seen some references that oracle does not certify
oracle=20
>>>products running on polyserve and that the support for=20
>>>"Unbreakable Linux" is therefore not provided. i believe
this=20
>>>is because polyserve requires a custom kernel to run.
>
>This is a long answer to a topic that is actually wider than
>PolyServe. The key is knowing what "Unbreakable Linux" is.
>
>PolyServe contains Kernel Loadable Modules (KLM). Just
loading a=20
>non-open-source KLM into the kernel voids "Unbreakable Linux".=20
>That includes certain Fiber Channel HBA drivers, certain=20
>MPIO drivers and so on. The only software allowed
>to be closed source is Oracle for "Unbreakable Linux".=20
>
>PolyServe is not going to open source our products. Like Oracle,
>we have a great deal of proprietary value add and a business
model
>that does not favor open sourcing. The value-add is exactly
why HP=20
>and Novell resell (and OEM in the case of HP) PolyServe - and
provide
>support=20
>for it along with Linux. Not all problems can be solved with Open
>Source.
>That is the very reason customers are still choosing Oracle
instead
>of MySQL for certain IT needs.
>
>So the answer to this question is to first understand
"Unbreakable
>Linux".=20
>The following points are based on quotes from this URL:
>
>http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/htdocs/oracleonlinux_faq.html#6
>
>1. Unbreakable Linux is support for the Operating System.
>
>"Oracle customers running RHEL, SLES or Asianux, can call
Oracle=20
>directly for any Oracle or OS issue. Oracle will diagnose the
issue=20
>and will work with the OS partner to address the operating
system=20
>issue as needed."
>
>2. Even with Unbreakable, customers still need OS support
from the OS
>provider.
>
>"customers must have a current support contract in place with
Oracle.=20
>In addition, Novell and Asianux customers must maintain
current support=20
>contracts with those distributors, and Red Hat customers must
maintain=20
>a Standard or Premium support contract with Red Hat to be
eligible for=20
>Unbreakable Support."
>
>3. Choosing to deploy outside the "Unbreakable" model does
not render
> Oracle products unsupported
>
>"If a customer recompiles the kernel or uses third-party
software that
>modifies=20
>the Linux kernel, they are no longer eligible for Unbreakable
Linux
>Support=20
>and can't receive direct Linux OS technical support from
Oracle. In
>these=20
>cases, Oracle will continue to support Oracle products on the
certified
>Linux=20
>distributions."
>
>The PolyServe website contains a good deal of Oracle specific
content.
>The=20
>value propositions are all outlined in solution briefs stored
there.
>
>
>Kevin Closson
>Chief Architect, Database Solutions
>PolyServe
></quote>
>
>hth
>Connor
>
>On 6/7/05, Marquez, Chris <cmarquez_at_collegeboard.org> wrote:
>> Haroon,
>>=20
>> I have used OCFS.
>> It is little slow, and took a lot of probably unfair abuse
( from me) whe=
>n really many of our issues *might* be hardware related.
>> Still OCFS is not the best, but worth the price we paid for it.
>> I *think* and believe that Polyserve is the best and clear
leader in the =
>Oracle-RAC-Linux space.
>> I would love to have tried it and talk to some (on this
list) who have.
>>=20
>> Below are some of my personal notes and comment during our
initial RAC co=
>nfig/test and links...not much here.
>> 1.) I personally would not use/trust the RH or VERITAS
option, only becau=
>se they seem new...and I don't like *new* with RAC!
>> 2.) email Polyserve directly...trust me...the know if they
are certified =
>with Oracle or not...open a TAR too...do both and you
eventually get a fina=
>l answer?
>>=20
>> hth
>>=20
>> PS All my stuff is 9i...never used RAC and 10g.
>>=20
>> Chris Marquez
>> Oracle DBA
>>=20
>>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> Global Cluster Filesystem-GFS, Cluster Filesystem-CF;
>>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>>=20
>> >>Wouldn't looking at another alternative of OCFS meaning
products like R=
>edhat Global Filesystem
>> Yes, and RAW is an alternative.
>> Other Global Cluster Filesystem-GFS, Cluster Filesystem-CF;
>> - Polyserve; http://www.polyserve.com/sol_linux_9irac.html
>> - Red Hat; http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/
>> - VERITAS Storage Foundation for Oracle;
http://www.veritas.com/Products=
>/www?c=3Dproduct&refId=3D145
>>=20
>> RAW is;
>> * Has not additional cost to us.
>> * Is support by Oracle and for many, many years the only
options for OPS/=
>RAC.
>> * Been used by Oracle OPS/RAC for 7+ years.
>> * Administratively more challenging...you have to be
diligent in space ad=
>ministration when using RAW...not for the lazy!
>>=20
>> Global Cluster Filesystem-GFS, Cluster Filesystem-CF is;
>> * (Other than OCFS) An additional expenses.
>> * (Other than OCFS) something we/I have no experiences with.
>> * "Might" not support by Oracle (this is critical).
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org on behalf of Haroon A.
Qureshi
>> Sent: Sun 6/5/2005 4:43 AM
>> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>> Subject: polyserve and oracle 10g
>>=20
>> greetings,
>>=20
>> a client is planning on implementing 10g RAC and is looking
>> into hardware and filesystems to use for the implementation.
>> they have settled on linux on ibm servers and are still
>> deciding which cluster file system to use. polyserve is an
>> option, as well as OCFS.
>>=20
>> i've seen some references that oracle does not certify oracle
>> products running on polyserve and that the support for
>> "unbreakable linux" is therefore not provided. i believe this
>> is because polyserve requires a custom kernel to run.
>>=20
>
>--=20
>Connor McDonald
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
>=3D=3D
>email: connor_mcdonald_at_yahoo.com
>web: http://www.oracledba.co.uk
>
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