RE: Requirement to run as user SYS

Agree 100% Nick about 'trust'...but as my earlier post says...you CAN still get in as SYS just by using / as sysdba and do anythong you dang wll please INCLUDING unlocking SYS... 8~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Tilbury @ Northampton [mailto:ntilbury_at_vartec.co.uk]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 10:07 AM To: Hollis, Les; barb.baker_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: Requirement to run as user SYS

I just don't understand the logic of this decision. No applications host their objects in the Sys schema.
Therefore, it is normally the login for the application owner schema(s) that
are infinitely more
important (to the business) than SYS.
If the DBA REALLY wanted to damage an *application* I'm confident it could
be done without SYS access.
Ergo - if the DBA can't be trusted, he shouldn't have the job in the first
place !

-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]On Behalf Of Hollis, Les Sent: 09 December 2004 15:55
To: barb.baker_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: Requirement to run as user SYS

Now that has got to be one of the most ridiculous management decisions I have ever heard......

By "disable" I am assuming you mean to change the password or 'lock' the account.

As a DBA you can still get in using / as sysdba which enables you to do anything you want. It actually still dumpos you in as SYS.

I tested on one of my 9i DB's. Locked the user sys account, exited, logged in '/ as sysdba', did a shutdown/startup and executed this command....

SQL> show user
USER is "SYS"
SQL> THIS AFTER I locked the account......

Select * from dba_users where username =3D3D 'SYS'; returned this

--
SYS                                     0 D4C5016086B2DC6A
LOCKED                           09-DEC-2004
SYSTEM                         TEMP
16-NOV-2004
DEFAULT                        SYS_GROUP


As you see it shows locked...but you are still sys....


Oh well.....I guess if it makes the idiot auditors happy to think they
found something on you and spineless management leaped through hoops to
appease them, I suppose it isn't ALL that terribly bad...you can STILL
log in as SYS using / as sysdba		whisper whisper....just don't
tell the auditors



It's all good   8~))


-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Baker
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:35 AM
To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Re: Requirement to run as user SYS

 Thanks, Dick.  I really appreciate your responses.
 It's a double-whammy.  We got "written up" by the auditors for using
 the SYS account, so management's response is that we just disable it.
 < sigh . . . >



> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:24:48 -0500, Goulet, Dick <DGoulet_at_vicr.com>

wrote:


> > Barb,

> >

> >        I'll feel sorry for you for sure.  You've got one VERY

ignorant


> > auditor breathing down your throat and a management team that is

equally


> > ignorant and uncaring for letting this happen.  At least our

auditors


> > were savvy enough to know that SYS is a special account that we need

&


> > don't use excessively and left it out of their questions.

> >

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