From oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 21 07:33:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from air189.startdedicated.com (root@localhost) by orafaq.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5LCXQt07268 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:33:36 -0500 X-ClientAddr: 206.53.239.180 Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239.180]) by air189.startdedicated.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5LCXG607215 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:33:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A32972C31B; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20160-24; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F68F72C0BE; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list oracle-l); Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: oracle-l@freelists.org Delivered-To: oracle-l@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE70F72C3EA for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19899-24 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (smtp-out2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46B2872C3C1 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (webmail6.xs4all.nl [194.109.22.166]) by smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5LCalOY044963 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 145.61.28.21 (SquirrelMail authenticated user careljan) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <17612.145.61.28.21.1087821413.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: *** OCM Preparation *** From: "Carel-Jan Engel" To: oracle-l@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at freelists.org X-archive-position: 3174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cjpengel.dbalert@xs4all.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: oracle-l@freelists.org X-list: oracle-l X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at freelists.org Tom, You're right. Requiring certification is just another CYA metod for damagement. I like the recent column 'Hiding behind certification' (http://cio.co.nz/cio.nsf/0/7259DF33F26CCE60CC256EB600630958?OpenDocument) of Michael Schrage. Sometimes certification helps you to get a foot in the door of a company. However, I've seen too many certified ignorants. I'd rather spend my time experimenting and reading and following this list, than getting some certificate. There will be companies that won't let me touch their databases. So be it. It's their choice, not my problem. Oops, I see your OCP signature. Don't take my words personally. Added value of certification depends on local marketing effects. When damagement requires certification everywhere, you need it. I'm in the lucky situation of not needing an OCP certificate to survive as a contractor. Regards, Carel-Jan === If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. (Derek Bok) === > One thing about the OCM that bothers me a little bit. > > I recently took an Oracle course (9i exam cram). The instructor was a > genius. Really. I thought he had the stuff down cold. Knew a lot about > how Oracle works. A great instructor. Never said "I'll get back to you". > Always has the answer (yes *the* answer). He talked a bit about the OCM > exam. Said he took and passed the exam. > > What bothered me was that he was not a practicing Oracle DBA - he was an > instructor. Now either he has is a genius that can remember everything, > or > there is something I am missng about the exam. I thought the exam was > about > testing your skills. If this is so, then how can a non-practicing DBA > pass > the test? > > Am I making any sense? > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@freelists.org put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at http://www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at http://www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------