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RE: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

From: April Wells <AWells_at_csedge.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:02:40 -0600
Message-ID: <0C3690346404A94CBF4DDDD4724FC614102A8DEF@csmail.corpsys.csedge.com>

And those have to be advanced classes... another $2000+ usd

April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:thomas.mercadante_at_labor.state.ny.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:58 AM
To: 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'
Subject: RE: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

the OCM exam costs $2000. plus at least on required Oracle class.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional

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From: ryan.gaffuri_at_cox.net [mailto:ryan.gaffuri_at_cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:39 AM
To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Re: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

i went to the website and didn't see anything about pricing. how much does this stuff costs? If you look at what they are really doing it's what an HR department does when you go for an interview and you do not have to pay for it. You just sign papers giving them the right to conduct a background check.

I hope this doesn't catch on or its several thousand dollars out of our pockets just for another piece of paper.
>
> From: "TOMPKINS, MARGARET" <MARGARET.TOMPKINS_at_DFAS.MIL>
> Date: 2004/03/24 Wed AM 07:59:46 EST
> To: <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> I'm familiar with the OCM. I know of one company, ITC2, that is starting
to do experienced based certifications and was wondering if there were others out there. Maggie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org

[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]On Behalf Of Lex de Haan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:19 PM
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
>
> I think you are referring to the OCM programme -- Oracle Certified
Masters. that's a tough one indeed, and it involves some real problem scenarios to be solved, on a standalone Linux box, under quite some time pressure. it is not cheap, though, and there are only a limited number of places where you can take those exams. search for OU and certification on the Oracle website, and I guess you will find more info ...
>
> hope this helps, kind regards,
> Lex.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org

[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]On Behalf Of TOMPKINS, MARGARET
> Sent: dinsdag 23 maart 2004 20:33
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
>
> I'm starting to see some experienced based certifications. They are case
studies reviewed by experts. It would be more like an essay exam than multiple choice. Interviews are also a part of the process. Does anyone have experience with those? Maggie
>
> Respectfully,
> Maggie Tompkins - CAD SQA
> Corporate Applications Division
> Technology Services Organization - Kansas City
> Defense Finance and Accounting Service
> 816-926-1117 (DSN 465); Margaret.Tompkins_at_dfas.mil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org

[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]On Behalf Of Chris Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:41 PM
> To: 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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>
> I wholeheartedly agree. ...but I think it is also true that even among
non-dba types, the legitimacy of the ocp is declining due to the fact that there are so many people out there that pass the tests because they have a 'question repository'. I remember trying to aquire the classroom documentation via the internet because my company would not send me to the classes (nor did I want to go to the class). In my search I came across several dba forums where the exact questions and answers were laid out for everyone to see. ...it's crap. ...it's also one of the (probably too few) times in my life where I took the moral high road and went on to the next google hit...often not before posting a nasty message to the forum.
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> Hell...I studied the documentation from the classes and investigated what
I didn't understand via working through examples and referencing the official documentation. I felt pretty good about getting the certification and felt I was a fully competent dba. ...and then I joined this list and realized just how little I knew. ...I shudder to think what has happened at companies where some newly knighted ocp lands a production dba gig with all the confidence that (sometimes) comes by passing the tests. ...I struggle with not screwing things up as it is! :-)
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> I know this has been discussed before.......but this hits home. I am
currently looking for a job and because I don't personally feel I'm at the sr. dba level and as a result don't market myself as such, my resume probably gets lumped in with a bunch of people who hold certifications but can't do a d_at_mn thing!! ...and given the current market situation, it's not a fun place to be!
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> Woo. That felt good. ...back to reading oracle design. ...thanks mogens
for reminding me just how good this book is!
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> chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:40 AM
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
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> > ..if it has any value at all.
>
> I must disagree with this statement.
>
> True, it may have no value among your Oracle peers.
>
> But I doubt that anyone here is getting it to impress their peers. We
> all know better. Wrong answers, dumb questions, etc.
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> The OCP may be the deciding factor when applying for employment.
>
> Check monster.com and dice.com. I have seen ads on several occasions
> that *require* OCP.
>
> It may also be tied to an individuals employment grade and/or salary
increase.
>
> You just need to consider another perspective on the subject.
>
> Jared
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> Chris Stephens <ChrisStephens_at_affina.com>
> Sent by: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
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> 03/23/2004 05:36 AM
> Please respond to oracle-l
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> To: "'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'" <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> cc:
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links
, Docs ?
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>
> And this is one of the reasons ocp gets to be less and less valuable....if
> it has any value at all.
>
> ...study the database...not the questions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kommareddy, Srinivas (MED, Wissen Infotech)
> [mailto:Srinivas.Kommareddy_at_med.ge.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:51 AM
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org;
> "'=SMTP:oracledba_at_lazydba.com'"@int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
> Hi,
>
> Do you need an easy way ?
>
> ping me personallly if you need the question bank. You willl get more than
> 60-70% of the questions in the exam from this question bank.
>
> Thanks and Regads,
> Srinivas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]
> On Behalf Of VIVEK_SHARMA
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:04 PM
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org; LazyDBA.com Discussion
> Subject: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
>
> Thanks
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