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Re: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?

From: Carel-Jan Engel <cjpengel.dbalert_at_xs4all.nl>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:33:04 +0200
Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20040323233035.44437bc0@pop.xs4all.nl>


Quoting Cary Millsap's father (slightly adapted)

There are two answers to every question: The correct answer and the one the OCP-test wants you to check. I want you to know them both!

Regards, Carel-Jan

===
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. (Derek Bok) ===

At 12:35 AM 3/24/2004, you wrote:
>I took the classes....got the self test software....took the self tests
>over and over again until I scored 95% or higher WITHOUT cheating. Didn't
>fail a single exam. If you get a question wrong, go research why you got
>it wrong. Over and over and over. I at least put in a good 80 hrs study
>time per test.
>
>One thing to remember about this method is that by studying why you got a
>question wrong, you learn at the same time.
>
>Then when you are a OCP and get the job, remember the real test begins.
>
>Glad to say I've never had a instance crash or run poorly (besides the
>crazy things my developers do to the db.....lol).
>
>
>Keith M. Cutler
>Oracle 8i Certified DBA
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:ChrisStephens_at_affina.com>Chris Stephens
>To: <mailto:'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'>'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'
>Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:41 PM
>Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
>I wholeheartedly agree. ...but I think it is also true that even among
>non-dba types, the legitimacy of the ocp is declining due to the fact that
>there are so many people out there that pass the tests because they have a
>'question repository'. I remember trying to aquire the classroom
>documentation via the internet because my company would not send me to the
>classes (nor did I want to go to the class). In my search I came across
>several dba forums where the exact questions and answers were laid out for
>everyone to see. ...it's crap. ...it's also one of the (probably too
>few) times in my life where I took the moral high road and went on to the
>next google hit...often not before posting a nasty message to the forum.
>
>
>
>Hell...I studied the documentation from the classes and investigated what
>I didn't understand via working through examples and referencing the
>official documentation. I felt pretty good about getting the
>certification and felt I was a fully competent dba. ...and then I joined
>this list and realized just how little I knew. ...I shudder to think what
>has happened at companies where some newly knighted ocp lands a production
>dba gig with all the confidence that (sometimes) comes by passing the
>tests. ...I struggle with not screwing things up as it is! J
>
>
>
>I know this has been discussed before.......but this hits home. I am
>currently looking for a job and because I don't personally feel I'm at the
>sr. dba level and as a result don't market myself as such, my resume
>probably gets lumped in with a bunch of people who hold certifications
>but can't do a d_at_mn thing!! ...and given the current market situation,
>it's not a fun place to be!
>
>
>
>Woo. That felt good. ...back to reading oracle design. ...thanks mogens
>for reminding me just how good this book is!
>
>
>
>chris
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:40 AM
>To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
>
>
>
> > ..if it has any value at all.
>
>I must disagree with this statement.
>
>True, it may have no value among your Oracle peers.
>
>But I doubt that anyone here is getting it to impress their peers. We
>all know better. Wrong answers, dumb questions, etc.
>
>The OCP may be the deciding factor when applying for employment.
>
>Check monster.com and dice.com. I have seen ads on several occasions
>that *require* OCP.
>
>It may also be tied to an individuals employment grade and/or salary
>increase.
>
>You just need to consider another perspective on the subject.
>
>Jared
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Chris Stephens <ChrisStephens_at_affina.com>
>Sent by: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
>
> 03/23/2004 05:36 AM
> Please respond to oracle-l
>
>
> To: "'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'" <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> cc:
> Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books ,
> Links , Docs ?
>
>
>
>
>And this is one of the reasons ocp gets to be less and less valuable....if
>it has any value at all.
>
>...study the database...not the questions.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kommareddy, Srinivas (MED, Wissen Infotech)
>[mailto:Srinivas.Kommareddy_at_med.ge.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:51 AM
>To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org;
>"'=SMTP:oracledba_at_lazydba.com'"@int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net
>Subject: RE: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
>Hi,
>
>Do you need an easy way ?
>
>ping me personallly if you need the question bank. You willl get more than
>60-70% of the questions in the exam from this question bank.
>
>Thanks and Regads,
>Srinivas
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]
>On Behalf Of VIVEK_SHARMA
>Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:04 PM
>To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org; LazyDBA.com Discussion
>Subject: OCP Preperation -Any Recommended Books , Links , Docs ?
>
>
>Thanks
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