Yep. Totally agree.
SuSE worked really hard on Oracle, and they still get
my respect. Michael H was invaluable to my work.
And, SuSE has brought some great features into LINUX.
They should have the first enterprise LINUX version
based on the 2.6 kernel this year. Maybe that is a
consolation if someone already has SuSE enterprise. I
have not given up on SuSE, but I'm being _extra_
cautious because of the Novell acquisition.
In the meantime, thanks to your tip, I think RH has a
'reasonable' entry price point that matches my
development needs. The competition must be strong
enough that RH is willing to cooperate with pricing
models like the Developer Subscription. I am surprised
because I had recent discussions with RH sales about
my situation, and the Developer Subscription was not
suggested. But, today, the RH salesman was very
informed about it.
Just for fun (I still get Novell emails), does anyone
know what version of SuSE LINUX is included in the
Novell Developer Program or Solutions Pack?
http://www.cvent.com/EventManagement/Summary/Summary.asp?eCode=idnlibciltyiibtlirbilbdiibblir
• NOVELL SOLUTIONS Evaluation KITS - all NEW!
(evaluation kits contain multiple CDs, evaluation
software,
practical applications, partner information,
demonstration
images & other related resources)
Kits will include:
• Novell NetWare 6.5 (3 concurrent connection
licenses (NO TIMEOUT) - plus an unlimited user license
with a 90-day timeout)
• Novell Nterprise Linux Services (NNLS)
• SuSE Linux
• Novell Branch Office
• Novell GroupWise 6.5
• Novell Resource Management (ZEN, RedCarpet)
• NOVELL SOLUTIONS Evaluation CDs/DVDs
• Ximian Desktop (XD2)
• Novell exteNd Evaluation DVD
• Novell Nsure DVD
• Novell exteNd, Nterprise, Nsure and Ngage Resources
• Selected Novell Evaluation Software on DVD
• Current Novell Minimum Patch List on DVD
• Five empty 4-CD sleeves for your use
• MORE TO COME IN THE FALL 2004 (at no additional
charge!)
Again, thanks pd.
Regards,
Mike Thomas
- Paul Drake <discgolfdba_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> SuSE got it long ago, back before 8.1.7 was released
> for (any) Linux.
>
> They still had it, even when Red Hat and Oracle had
> a
> spat (at least in the marketing area).
>
> SuSE knew what they were doing then (8.1.6), those
> people are largely still on staff (check the
> archived
> of the ORACLE-LINUX-L mailing list that used to be
> on
> Fatcity).
>
> IBM had strong ties to SuSE, particularly in the
> days
> when some in the community feared that Red Hat was
> becoming too dominant.
>
> Most of SuSE's talent is in Nurenberg, but they had
> an
> office in Redwood Shores. Provided that Novell
> leaves
> SuSE alone, SuSE should continue to be a premier
> linux
> distro.
>
> If you plan to deploy any servers in Europe, I'd
> choose SuSE. Here in the US, the marketing ties are
> just too strong for the choice of supported distro
> to
> be Red Hat. I guess its time for me to let go of the
> RH 7.0/gcc/cvs/wtf? release.
>
> Pd
>
>
> --- Michael Thomas <mhthomas_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Thanks pd for the info. I just checked...
> >
> > 1) go to this link:
> >
>
http://www.redhat.com/solutions/industries/developer/
> > under "Standard Developer Subscription"
> > click on "Subscribe Now"
> > and pay $299 USD (hey, where's my commission ;-)
> >
> > 2) Notice you get access to any of the three
> > enterprise versions (WS, AS, ES) for download from
> > RHN, and you can use either 2.1 or 3.0. You get
> full
> > RHN to get updates, etc.. But, you can not use any
> > of
> > these s/w for a production server. The limit is
> you
> > can only register five servers, e.g. "Five 1-year
> > entitlements to any Red Hat software product".
> >
> > 3) The full scoop is:
> > Standard Developer Subscription
> >
> > * Five 1-year entitlements to any Red Hat
> > software
> > product
> > * Easy ISOs: OS, Source, and Documentation ISO
> > Images
> > * Red Hat Network Update Module Service 1-year
> > * Quarterly OS Updates
> > * Beta Program Participation (coming soon)
> > * Access to all white papers and case studies
> > (coming soon)
> > * Available via download only
> >
> > 4) <RANT> My opinion is that RH is the way to go
> on
> > LINUX today. After Novell bought SUSE, I think for
> > legal reasons, I expect SUSE to slip behind RH on
> > features for the next few months. Now that's sure
> to
> > offend someone, sorry. No worries, because I'm
> told
> > that I'm wrong about this, but to me Novell has
> been
> > dead for me (ex CNE and C/C++ NLM developer) for a
> > couple years. I attended all the Novell
> conferences
> > where the competent developers kept leaving and
> the
> > guys pushing the slides last year were doing the
> > presentations next year. The problem being they
> had
> > no
> > idea about technical stuff. So, I expect the
> > Novell-SUSE relationship may slow down SUSE
> progress
> > on LINUX, even though SUSE remains in europe.
> > </RANT>
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike Thomas
> >
> > (PS: Jonathan, this has got to be a pain after you
> > already paid for SUSE. I didn't know either. Ugh.)
> >
> > --- Paul Drake <discgolfdba_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Jonathan Gennick <jonathan_at_gennick.com>
> wrote:
> > > > Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 5:13:57 PM, Paul
> > Drake
> > > > (discgolfdba_at_yahoo.com) wrote:
> > > > PD> I didn't follow thru on installing white
> box
> > > > linux.
> > > > PD> Red Hat came thru with a reasonably priced
> > > > developer
> > > > PD> edition - 5 seats of software with support
> > for
> > > 1
> > > > year,
> > > > PD> $299. That entitles you to WS, ES or AS
> > > > editions.
> > > >
> > > > This I would be interested in. However, and
> > please
> > > > forgive
> > > > my cluelessness here, I can find no mention of
> > it
> > > on
> > > > Red
> > > > Hat's web site.
> > >
> > > Jonathan,
> > >
> > > I can't find my original link.
> > > I had to get the url from Red Hat sales.
> > > The wait on hold was rather lengthy, but once I
> > > asked
> > > him about a developer edition he gave me the
> url.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > > I see a Workstation (WS) edition for
> > > > $299,
> > > > but I don't see a developer edition that gives
> > AS
> > > > for that
> > > > price. Could I get you to provide a link?
> > > >
>
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