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Robert,
The point with several of these items is that they are not provided with the OS.
Re the services: stopping and starting a service will not pick modifications to the environment. It requires a reboot.
As for your comment on Perl: You don't appear to have too much experience with it. Perl makes hard things easy, and impossible things possible. :)
Jared
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 06:48, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> Comments inline ...
>
> RF
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> What I dislike about working with Oracle on Windows:
>
> >> * No decent scheduler. Yes there is 'at'. Like I said...
> Good point, though this should be less of an issue with the new Oracle
> Database 10g Scheduler, which is supposed to be able to kick off external
> programs (including batch programs). I have not played with this specific
> bit of functionality much, but what I have played with worked.
>
> >> * Installing Perl on win32 with all needed modules has become a
> >> monumental pain in the rear.
> Hmmmmmm..... Another reason that Perl just isn't one of my fav. scripting
> languages.
>
> >> * Why can't MS provide a semi-decent code editor.
> >> Yeah, notepad. Right.
> and vi or ed is any better??? Granted, once you learn vi, it's pretty cool,
> but in the begining? UGH! My vote for best windows editor is textpad....
> hands down the best editor I've ever used.
>
> Anyone remember an editor called EC? Do they still make it?
>
> >> * Command line utilities. You think unix/linux is arcane?
> Actually, you can do a lot at the command line in NT.... Of course, it's not
> as robust as UNIX (have yet to find, for example, a fold command). Still, if
> you are some C or basic coding experience or you are adept at the web, it's
> not too bad.
>
> >> * The fact that an incredibly robust PIPE implementation is built in,
> >> but there is no access from the command line. And that Oracle is built
> >> with the MS stdlib ( think that's the sitation ) so even
> >> when you get 3rd party tools that work with PIPE's, they won't work
> >> with Oracle.
> Ok, I agree, this has been an issue with me as well.
>
> >> * The fact that there are still drive letters.
> Ahhhh, so what? :-) Drive letters, mount points, who cares?
>
>
> >> * That MS has *finally* got around to offering unix like utilities, but
> >> wants $100 for them, on top of the money you've already paid for the
> >> OS.
> I've seen NT related UNIX utilities around for a while (don't recall if they
> were MS though).
>
> >> * That it took until Win23k for MS to design the system to allow
> >> different versions of apps to have different versions of DLL's.
> >> Lesse, we've been doing this on unix for 30 years or so?
> Hey, we all have growing pains! :-)
>
> >> * The stupid Oracle home selector that is strictly a GUI.
> I have yet to use the Oracle home selector. Of course, I'm an old Oracle
> command line guy.... OEM gives me a rash.
>
> >> * That whenever a change in environment is made that needs to be picked
> >> up by an existing or new service, you must reboot because there is no
> >> other way to reset the environment seen by services.exe.
> Can't you just stop and restart the service? How often does one need to
> change the environment in production anyway (hopefully not that often once
> it's stable!)
>
> >> Mind you now, Oracle runs just fine on win32. It's maintaining it and
> >> working with the environment that is so annoying, and made difficult
> >> where it shouldn't be.
> For me, the scheduler has been the biggest issue of all of these. Frankly,
> the others don't cause me much of an issue. Each platform has it's good and
> bad side. Which would I prefer, Oracle on UNIX... but I just don't think
> Windows is that bad.
>
> Jared
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:26, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> > My 2 cents...
> >
> > Most of the complaints I see about Oracle on Win here are either:
> >
> > 1. By people doing it for the first time, or who rarely do it.
> > 2. By people who are doing Oracle for the first time, or rarely do it.
> >
> > I actually like Oracle on Win, and I agree with Tom, I've had few
> problems
> > with it.
> >
> > I agree that installing service packs is maddening, but don't most
> Unix OS
> > upgrades of any great import seem to require a reboot?
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Koivu, Lisa
> > To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> > Sent: 2/13/2004 12:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> >
> > Hi Tom,=20
> >
> > Are you kidding? You never have to install service packs and
> reboot?=20
> >
> > We run windows 2003 and our "vice president" in IT decided that as a
> > corporate standard we should turn on auto-update and let the boxes
> > reboot themselves. Excuse me??=20
> >
> > The more I work on Windows, the more I do not like it. However, I'm
> in
> > the same boat as you. You make do with what you are given when you
> are
> > not personally paying the bill.
> >
> > Lisa Koivu
> > Senior Monkey
> > Orlando, FL, USA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mercadante, Thomas F
> > [mailto:thomas.mercadante_at_labor.state.ny.us]=20
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:58 AM
> > To: 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> >
> > Unfortunately, we have to put up with unrealistic comments like these.
> > let
> > me repeat it again for those who forget:
> >
> > Some of us have no choice in the operating system that we work with.
> > And
> > some of us are running systems under a Windows environment and are
> > perfectly
> > happy with how things run, and *never ever* have the "problems" that
> get
> > reported here. =20
> >
> > I have windows databases that have been running for 3 years now.
> > *Never*
> > does the machine crash. And *never* do we reboot "just because we
> > should".
> >
> > If you experience bad things, then I suggest you take it up with your
> > system
> > admin. More than likely, somebody was allowed to treat a database
> > server
> > like a personal desktop.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:Rajendra.Jamadagni_at_espn.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:46 AM
> > To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> >
> >
> > Remind me again .. is this oracle-l forum or slashdot ??
> >
> > <g>
> >
> > Raj
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -=3D
> > -------
> > Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com
> > All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal.
> > QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art !
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org
> > [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]On Behalf Of David Sharples
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:44 AM
> > To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> > Subject: RE: Oracle 10g for Windows
> >
> >
> > Define dominant?
> >
> > The chances of Linux overtaking the average desktop in the world are
> > pretty slim and Linux is not really mature enough to run enterprise
> > level stuff - maybe soon it will be.
> >
> > Sun and HP are Windows are still more widely used (rightly or wrongly)
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