RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?

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Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they may actually get it all down.

The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software, automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic. I suspect it will take a few releases to get all that stuff working lickety split and sort of bug free.

Allan

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Jared,

        Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours.

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA

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I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric.

Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift.

There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used.

That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it.

Jared

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote:
> Hello Tom
>
> >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC,

> >with
> options to add or remove servers as you go along.
> It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers

> etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also
> separated databases.
>
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
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>
>
> > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly
> > Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another
> > fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it
> > yet again? they *like* doing this.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM
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> >
> >
> > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural
> > framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage
> > is sharable across
> the
> > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place,

> > you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place.
> > Alternately,
> you
> > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable
> > grid.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial
> > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think
> > more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center.
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > Stephen P. Karniotis
> > Technical Alliance Manager
> > Compuware Corporation
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
> >
> > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the
> > grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to
> > pull this off.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM
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> >
> >
> > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid
> > are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
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> >
> >
> > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be
> handled
> > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from
> > the
> fairly
> > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a
> > matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a
> > change in the
> other
> > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the
> > grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of
> > the
> matching
> > particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers
> > involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until

> > we recall that Larry is God.
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