RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?

Dick, Jared

   If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks.

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Jared,

        Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours.

Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA

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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM
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I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric.

Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift.

There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used.

That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it.

Jared

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote:
> Hello Tom
>
> >From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC,
with
> options to add or remove servers as you go along.
> It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers
etc.
> There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated
> databases.
>
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
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>
>
> > If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly
Oracle
> > Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example
of
> > Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they
*like*
> > doing this.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM
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> >
> >
> > Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework
is
> > that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across
> the
> > enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you
> > would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately,
> you
> > could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial
> > requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks --> think more
> > about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center.
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > Stephen P. Karniotis
> > Technical Alliance Manager
> > Compuware Corporation
> > Direct: (313) 227-4350
> > Mobile: (248) 408-2918
> > Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
> >
> > But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids,
> > don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this
off.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM
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> >
> >
> > I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are
> > attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM
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> >
> >
> > For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be
> handled
> > by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the
> fairly
> > recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching
> > particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the
> other
> > particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid
> > becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the
> matching
> > particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved.
> > Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall
that
> > Larry is God.
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