RE: CBO, RBO and will v5 ever really go away?

And also SQL*Loader will be rename to ODL (Oracle Data Loader)

Stephane

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Mladen Gogala
Sent: 17 octobre, 2003 17:19
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Bambi, Oracle 5.1.22 was an exceptionally stable version of oracle, with very few parameters (names were "TABLES","INDEXES" and alike) and, as such will forever be committed to our memory. Furthermore, RBO is used in the data dictionary, just like the datatype LONG which has also, allegedly, been desupported but someone forgot to tell that to developers. There are things from V5.1.22 that I'm missing even today. There used to be something called "rpf/rpt" which was a very good thing for writing quick command line reports without huge and buggy gooey interface. I started learning the only other language that has formats and page handling and is not COBOL when rpt/rpf was taken away in 7.1 (your guess is correct, it's perl). In short, Oracle 5 will never go away. I here that in version 11, SQL*Plus will be renamed to UFI (= User Friendly Interface) and there will be tools for generating simple forms called IAP, IAG and IAD...
On 10/17/2003 04:54:25 PM, "Bellow, Bambi" wrote:
> Friends --
>
> I just got back from a week of benchmarking and one of the "issues"
> that
> came out of it was, due to some rather, um, interesting, coding
> techniques,
> running schema level statistics both wrecked performance *and*
> produced
> Oracle Bug 2954921. So we had to remove the statistics before running
> additional tests. Of course, RBO is being desupported soon, so we
> really
> ought to modify things. But, this brings up another issue. See,
> Oracle
> says, and here I am paraphrasing, of course, that...
>
> RBO is going to die. We're not supporting it anymore. Nope. Once
> you get
> off of 9.2, that's it. Finito. Hasta la vista, Ba-bee. Well, no,
> it's not
> really going away. YET. It will still be behind the scenes for
> awhile. But
> sooner or later, it's going to die. You've been warned. This isn't
> going
> to be like Forms2.3. No. We're serious this time. We put in all
> these
> great features that y'all aren't using because your code is dependent
> on RBO
> and RBO can't use these features and that sucks because we really
> like
> these
> features. Now, we figure that a slim minority of people... maybe
> 20%... are
> still using RBO. 20%. Barely noticeable. (dinosaurs, grumble,
> grumble)
> Well, we're taking it away. We're going to drag you into the new
> millenium
> and you're going to use CBO. And you're going to like it. We'll
> leave RBO
> in there for awhile, but one day you'll wake up and it will be gone.
> Gone,
> I tell you, GONE! Just you wait. 5, 10 years from now, RBO will be
> a
> mere
> a memory. Just like Forms2.3. Oh, and that "select * from tab;"
> that
> you're doing every once in awhile to see if it still works, you just
> wait,
> someday *someday* we're going to take *that* away too. And you're
> just
> going to have to live with it. HAhahahaha!
>
> So, what do you think? Will v5 ever really go away? And when will
> RBO just
> stop working?
>
> Bambi.
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Mladen Gogala
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