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RE: RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement

From: Patterson, Mark <Mark.Patterson_at_organon.ie>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:19:23 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.005D35ED.20031016031923@fatcity.com>


Hi,

I'll second Chris' statement. I found PL/SQL Developer to be a great and inexpensive PL/SQL development tool. Its debugger is especially good. In fact from a development perspective I found it to be far superior to TOAD. Have no idea about support and consideration of user suggestions as I had no issues to report.
However as its name suggests it is purely a PL/SQL development tool and not an administration tool, but then I don't think its trying to be the latter. Would recommend you stick with TOAD for administration, I don't know of anything else significantly cheaper out there to replace TOAD and any small licensing savings will be lost to lower productivity during the learning curve anyway.

Regards,
Mark.

	 From: "Dunscombe, Chris" <Chris.W.Dunscombe_at_accenture.com>
	 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:50:30 +0100
	 Subject: RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement

	Paul,
	 
	I've used PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations to develop PL/SQL
procs,
	packages and it's fine including a well featured de-bugger. I
believe that a
	site licence costs $3,000. As to it being a DBA tool I'd have to say
it's
	not in the same league as TOAD Xpert with DBA module.
	 
	Chris Dunscombe 

	Accenture Worthing Unit 

	Internal: 71-3558 
	External: 01903-283558 
	Email: chris.W.dunscombe_at_accenture.com 

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	Sent: 15 October 2003 16:59
	To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


	Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional
licenses,
	and have been "recommended" a cheaper product called PL/SQL
Developer by
	Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a
pop).
	Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its
features, and
	it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at
PL/SQL
	developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we
find in
	TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying "fine, give it to
the
	developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate
for
	development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert
with DBA
	module, thanks very much!".
	 
	But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested
to know
	what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers?
Does it
	have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for
DBA use?
	How responsive are the product developers to requests for
enhancements? Any
	input is very welcome!
	 
	Paul Vincent
	DBA
	University of Central England

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