Re: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

If India and Pakistan go to war. Or, China tries to retake Taiwan you will see this reverse real fast.

Ken

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> Tim,
>
> I regret to have to agree with you. More of the IT jobs are & will be
moving to overseas locations until those locations prove that they cannot support US operations for one reason or other. I believe it is just an effort by unintelligent CEO, CIO, and CFO's to save a buck today. What we'll end up with is a number of large companies that are trying to sell products to a lot of unemployed middle class people who won't open their wallets. What's the old saying, penny wise pound foolish? As in save a penny here drop a dollar there.
>
> Dick Goulet
> Senior Oracle DBA
> Oracle Certified 8i DBA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:54 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Of course the shipment of "development work" out of the US affects DBAs!
> Support of production systems is only one part of the job, and the
> outsourcing of application development to another physical location then
> necessarily outsources the systems/database administration with it. How
> many huge application development projects do you see in the US these
days?
>
> There is no "cherry picking". The IT industry in the US is moving
overseas,
> it is a trend, and it will move much faster than the manufacturing sector
> did, for obvious reasons. There is lighter equipment to move.
>
> It is difficult to tell that the water level in the lake is dropping when
> you are treading water. Until your feet touch bottom...
>
>
>
> on 8/14/03 8:24 AM, DENNIS WILLIAMS at DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM wrote:
>
> > Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> > encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs aren't always
> > advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs than
available
> > candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill their
positions.
> > When there are more candidates than available jobs, companies often find
> > that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
> >
> > Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> > corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the catastrophe didn't
> > occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior
executives
> > felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally
> > declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I think we are
> > just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the extravagant
> > dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much
development
> > work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect Oracle DBA work
> > yet?
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I don't think it has as much to do with no available positions (although
> > that is part of the answer) as most medium to large companies don't use
> > newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for
> > technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing, etc. to do
their
> > recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've seen this
> > definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area over the past
> > couple of years. Most of these companies also provide e-mail service
that
> > sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your specs. So, why
> > waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
> >
> > My $0.02 worth,
> >
> > Ken Janusz, CPIM
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
> >
> >
> >> I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA job postings,
> > two
> >> years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per week, now I tend
to
> >> see one or two, or none.
> >>
> >> For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't know if they
> > still
> >> do that or how successful they now are.
> >>
> >> The market has really shrunk in two years!
> >>
> >> There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for work... It
must
> > be
> >> a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
infrastructure
> >> changes anymore.
> >>
> >> Patrice.
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