Re: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

This makes me puke.

• Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:04 AM

> I know of one Fortune 50 company (US) that has a local division that has
> fired all of their programmers at least at that location. All's done in
> India with e-mail, web, and teleconfrencing.
>
> Rich
>
> Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
> rjesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Leith [mailto:mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings
> >
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > With the amount of companies I talk to (in a sales-critter
> > role) you would
> > actually be surprised at how many people ARE doing exactly this!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > KENNETH JANUSZ
> > Sent: 14 August 2003 16:45
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Dennis:
> >
> > With respect to sending production DBA positions to India, et
> > al. I don't
> > think companies are very included to do this because of
> > security concerns
> > and the confidentiality of the information stored in the DB.
> > It's not a
> > good idea to open your DB's to the entire world.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:24 AM
> >
> >
> > > Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> > > encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs
> > aren't always
> > > advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs
> > than available
> > > candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill
> > their positions.
> > > When there are more candidates than available jobs,
> > companies often find
> > > that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
> > >
> > > Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> > > corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the
> > catastrophe didn't
> > > occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior
> > executives
> > > felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally
> > > declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I
> > think we are
> > > just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the
> > extravagant
> > > dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much
> > development
> > > work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect
> > Oracle DBA work
> > > yet?
> > >
> > > Dennis Williams
> > > DBA
> > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't think it has as much to do with no available
> > positions (although
> > > that is part of the answer) as most medium to large
> > companies don't use
> > > newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for
> > > technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing,
> > etc. to do
> > their
> > > recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've
> > seen this
> > > definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area
> > over the past
> > > couple of years. Most of these companies also provide
> > e-mail service that
> > > sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your
> > specs. So, why
> > > waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
> > >
> > > My $0.02 worth,
> > >
> > > Ken Janusz, CPIM
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > > I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA
> > job postings,
> > > two
> > > > years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per
> > week, now I tend
> > to
> > > > see one or two, or none.
> > > >
> > > > For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't
> > know if they
> > > still
> > > > do that or how successful they now are.
> > > >
> > > > The market has really shrunk in two years!
> > > >
> > > > There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for
> > work... It
> > must
> > > be
> > > > a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
> > infrastructure
> > > > changes anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Patrice.
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