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RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings

From: Jesse, Rich <Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:04:30 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.005CAADE.20030814080430@fatcity.com>


I know of one Fortune 50 company (US) that has a local division that has fired all of their programmers at least at that location. All's done in India with e-mail, web, and teleconfrencing.

Rich

Rich Jesse                           System/Database Administrator
rjesse_at_qtiworld.com                  Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Leith [mailto:mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings
>
>
> Ken,
>
> With the amount of companies I talk to (in a sales-critter
> role) you would
> actually be surprised at how many people ARE doing exactly this!
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> KENNETH JANUSZ
> Sent: 14 August 2003 16:45
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Dennis:
>
> With respect to sending production DBA positions to India, et
> al. I don't
> think companies are very included to do this because of
> security concerns
> and the confidentiality of the information stored in the DB.
> It's not a
> good idea to open your DB's to the entire world.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:24 AM
>
>
> > Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> > encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs
> aren't always
> > advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs
> than available
> > candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill
> their positions.
> > When there are more candidates than available jobs,
> companies often find
> > that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
> >
> > Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> > corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the
> catastrophe didn't
> > occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior
> executives
> > felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally
> > declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I
> think we are
> > just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the
> extravagant
> > dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much
> development
> > work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect
> Oracle DBA work
> > yet?
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <mailto:dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I don't think it has as much to do with no available
> positions (although
> > that is part of the answer) as most medium to large
> companies don't use
> > newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for
> > technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing,
> etc. to do
> their
> > recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've
> seen this
> > definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area
> over the past
> > couple of years. Most of these companies also provide
> e-mail service that
> > sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your
> specs. So, why
> > waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
> >
> > My $0.02 worth,
> >
> > Ken Janusz, CPIM
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
> >
> >
> > > I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA
> job postings,
> > two
> > > years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per
> week, now I tend
> to
> > > see one or two, or none.
> > >
> > > For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't
> know if they
> > still
> > > do that or how successful they now are.
> > >
> > > The market has really shrunk in two years!
> > >
> > > There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for
> work... It
> must
> > be
> > > a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
> infrastructure
> > > changes anymore.
> > >
> > > Patrice.

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