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RE: what is BAARF?

From: Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI <Stephen.Wolfe_at_macdill.af.mil>
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:19:29 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.005C9067.20030805061929@fatcity.com>


Interesting discussion. this is the first time I have seen objections to RAID technology. My cohort in crime, my senior developer (Lee Achorn), and I discussed this at length yesterday and without knowing the compelling arguments came to the conclusion that at least for a database system that maintains transaction logs (are these Redo logs for Oracle?) on off-server real estate and a good back up regimen is in place then why would one need RAID 5?  

We are running RAID 5 here at MacDill and we have had 4 single disk failures in the last 14 months. The rebuild time has essentially been 45 minutes to 90 minutes with degraded server operations.    

v/r

Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC
Data Services Manager
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Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 6:49 PM
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It is good to see Oracle and Informix DBAs agree on something once in a while.
Art Kagel and many others from the Informix list have been fighting the good fight for a long time.
http://www.smooth1.demon.co.uk/ifaq06.htm#6.58

I sent this baarf link to a former co-worker still in the Informix world. I got this response:

Bob,

That is impeccable timing. I was in Dallas last week with Victor and James looking at SAN systems from Hitachi and IBM. Both vendors were heavily pushing RAID-5 and treated me like a leper when I objected.

Troy.

My question is what to do from a practical point of view. How have others approached convincing management that RAID 5 is the devil. I guess what I want is a list of the most effective questions and facts that will make these vendors look like idiots when they refuse to give up on RAID 5.

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Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 2:29 PM
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See www.baarf.com.

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Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:20 PM
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I see it here all the time. Any articles on it? Im assuming its some kind of storage system right?

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