If the database is actually shutdown when they do the backup, then you
are okay. If not, I'd start updating my resume.
are they in archivelog mode? Can you implement hot backups, even
without RMAN (you know the drill, alter tablespace begin backup, backup
datafiles, alter tablespace end backup, lather, rinse, repeat etc)
It's possible to recover from an export and the datafiles, even if the
database won't open. It's expensive, Oracle doesn't like doing it (Data
Unloader) and the strain on your nervous system is not worth it (I've
done it).
Make sure they understand that that export is worthless if they want up
to the minute recovery. And that those backups are less than worthless
because while the export will at least get them back to SOME point in
time, the Veritas backups won't do even that.
- Michael Kline <mkline1_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> I was afraid of that....
>
>
> Performing Remote Agent backup
>
> Media Name: "Media created 7/18/2003 08:00:06 PM"
> Backup of "\\FAILSAFE\V$ "
> Backup set #11 on storage media #1
> Backup set description: "DailyBackup"
> Backup Type: FULL - Back Up Files - Reset Archive Bit
> Backup started on 7/19/2003 at 12:59:44 AM.
>
> Backup completed on 7/19/2003 at 1:11:05 AM.
> Backed up 31 files in 4 directories.
> Processed 5,785,060,909 bytes in 11 minutes and 21 seconds.
> Throughput rate: 486.1 MB/min
>
>
> This doesn't give me a "warm" feeling. Alert log shows NOTHING.
>
> This is a manufacturing site where the click of a bar code
> reader is moving materials from one location to another and
> that may or may not occur at any time. I'm not positive that
> one could say that this would never happen. Every time I've
> been in there looking around random jobs are coming into
> dbms_jobs in what appears to be all hours of the night.
>
> They have an export, but I think that's it. If they take
> a backup on Sunday, I think everything is shutdown. It
> MIGHT be good if the moon is right.
>
> Maks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Rachel Carmichael
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:59 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> you don't have backups. Oracle will only support recovery from hot
> backups taken when the tablespaces are not flagged as in backup mode
> if
> you do the backup via RMAN.
>
> Technically, if you are very very lucky, the moon is in the seventh
> house and Jupiter has aligned with Mars, you *MIGHT* be able to use
> the
> hot backup taken without RMAN. If and only if there is absolutely NO
> activity whatsoever in the database from the time the backup starts
> until when it finishes. Even then, recovery is still not supported.
>
>
> --- Michael Kline <mkline1_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > I found no signs of RMAN being used in
> > any way shape or form...
> >
> > I've been told they are doing "hot" backups
> > using Veritas... HOWEVER, the alert log shows
> > no signs what so ever of "alter tablespace
> > xyz begin/end backup"...
> >
> > Can it do a good backup backing up live
> > DB files and leaving no signs what so
> > ever that backup took place.
> >
> > Is Veritas capable of this?
> >
> > If so, why is there a Veritas interface
> > to RMAN???
> >
> > Confusion, confusion...
> >
> >
> > Michael Alan Kline, Sr.
> > Principal Consultant
> > Business to Business Solutions, LLC
> > Phone: 804-744-1545 Cell: 804-314-6262
> > ICQ: 1009605, 975313
> > Email: mkline_at_b2bsol.com Web: www.b2bsol.com
> >
> >
>
>
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