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Rachel - I am confused, now mind you it doesn't take much :). Can you
clarify on a statement you made? Oracle will not support hot backups
unless done w/ RMAD? I currently do hot backups w/ scripts using IBM's
flashcopy. Is the Oracle Tablespace hot backup mode no longer
supported? Thanks,
Gene
>>> DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM 07/23/03 03:04PM >>> Michael
But you do have a good reason why the client should hire you. ;-)
Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:39 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I was afraid of that....
Media Name: "Media created 7/18/2003 08:00:06 PM"
Backup of "\\FAILSAFE\V$ "
Backup set #11 on storage media #1
Backup set description: "DailyBackup"
Backup Type: FULL - Back Up Files - Reset Archive Bit
Backup started on 7/19/2003 at 12:59:44 AM.
Backup completed on 7/19/2003 at 1:11:05 AM.
Backed up 31 files in 4 directories.
Processed 5,785,060,909 bytes in 11 minutes and 21 seconds.
Throughput rate: 486.1 MB/min
This doesn't give me a "warm" feeling. Alert log shows NOTHING.
This is a manufacturing site where the click of a bar code reader is moving materials from one location to another and that may or may not occur at any time. I'm not positive that one could say that this would never happen. Every time I've been in there looking around random jobs are coming into dbms_jobs in what appears to be all hours of the night.
They have an export, but I think that's it. If they take a backup on Sunday, I think everything is shutdown. It MIGHT be good if the moon is right.
Maks.
-----Original Message-----
Rachel Carmichael
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
you don't have backups. Oracle will only support recovery from hot
backups taken when the tablespaces are not flagged as in backup mode
if
you do the backup via RMAN.
Technically, if you are very very lucky, the moon is in the seventh
house and Jupiter has aligned with Mars, you *MIGHT* be able to use
the
hot backup taken without RMAN. If and only if there is absolutely NO
activity whatsoever in the database from the time the backup starts
until when it finishes. Even then, recovery is still not supported.
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You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --=_1E403282.B9D81732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style="MARGIN-TOP: 2px; FONT: 10pt Arial; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px"> <DIV>Rachel - I am confused, now mind you it doesn't take much :). Can you clarify on a statement you made? Oracle will not support hot backups unless done w/ RMAD? I currently do hot backups w/ scripts using IBM's flashcopy. Is the Oracle Tablespace hot backup mode no longer supported? Thanks,<BR>Gene</DIV> <DIV><BR>>>> DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM 07/23/03 03:04PM >>><BR>Michael<BR> But you do have a good reason why the client should hire you. ;-)<BR><BR>Dennis Williams<BR>DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA<BR>Lifetouch, Inc.<BR>dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com <BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:39 PM<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<BR><BR><BR>I was afraid of that....<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Performing Remote Agent backup<BR><BR>Media Name: "Media created 7/18/2003 08:00:06 PM"<BR>Backup of "\\FAILSAFE\V$ "<BR>Backup set #11 on storage media #1<BR>Backup set description: "DailyBackup"<BR>Backup Type: FULL - Back Up Files - Reset Archive Bit<BR>Backup started on 7/19/2003 at 12:59:44 AM.<BR><BR>Backup completed on 7/19/2003 at 1:11:05 AM.<BR>Backed up 31 files in 4 directories.<BR>Processed 5,785,060,909 bytes in 11 minutes and 21 seconds.<BR>Throughput rate: 486.1 MB/min<BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>This doesn't give me a "warm" feeling. Alert log shows NOTHING.<BR><BR>This is a manufacturing site where the click of a bar code<BR>reader is moving materials from one location to another and<BR>that may or may not occur at any time. I'm not positive that<BR>one could say that this would never happen. Every time I've<BR>been in there looking around random jobs are coming into<BR>dbms_jobs in what appears to be all hours of the night.<BR><BR>They have an export, but I think that's it. If they take<BR>a backup on Sunday, I think everything is shutdown. It<BR>MIGHT be good if the moon is right.<BR><BR>Maks.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>Rachel Carmichael<BR>Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:59 PM<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<BR><BR><BR>you don't have backups. Oracle will only support recovery from hot<BR>backups taken when the tablespaces are not flagged as in backup mode if<BR>you do the backup via RMAN.<BR><BR>Technically, if you are very very lucky, the moon is in the seventh<BR>house and Jupiter has aligned with Mars, you *MIGHT* be able to use the<BR>hot backup taken without RMAN. If and only if there is absolutely NO<BR>activity whatsoever in the database from the time the backup starts<BR>until when it finishes. Even then, recovery is still not supported.<BR><BR><BR>--- Michael Kline <mkline1_at_comcast.net> wrote:<BR>> I found no signs of RMAN being used in<BR>> any way shape or form...<BR>> <BR>> I've been told they are doing "hot" backups<BR>> using Veritas... HOWEVER, the alert log shows<BR>> no signs what so ever of "alter tablespace<BR>> xyz begin/end backup"... <BR>> <BR>> Can it do a good backup backing up live<BR>> DB files and leaving no signs what so<BR>> ever that backup took place.<BR>> <BR>> Is Veritas capable of this? <BR>> <BR>> If so, why is there a Veritas interface<BR>> to RMAN???<BR>> <BR>> Confusion, confusion...<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Michael Alan Kline, Sr.<BR>> Principal Consultant<BR>> Business to Business Solutions, LLC<BR>> Phone: 804-744-1545 Cell: 804-314-6262<BR>> ICQ: 1009605, 975313<BR>> Email: mkline_at_b2bsol.com Web: <A href="http://www.b2bsol.com/">www.b2bsol.com</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR><BR><BR>__________________________________<BR>Do you Yahoo!?<BR>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software<BR><A href="http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com/">http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com</A><BR>-- <BR>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: <A href="http://www.orafaq.net/">http://www.orafaq.net</A><BR>-- <BR>Author: Rachel Carmichael<BR> INET: wisernet100_at_yahoo.com<BR><BR>Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 <A href="http://www.fatcity.com/">http://www.fatcity.com</A><BR>San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message<BR>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in<BR>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L<BR>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may<BR>also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).<BR>-- <BR>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net<BR>-- <BR>Author: Michael Kline<BR> INET: mkline1_at_comcast.net<BR><BR>Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 <A href="http://www.fatcity.com/">http://www.fatcity.com</A><BR>San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message<BR>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in<BR>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L<BR>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may<BR>also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).<BR>-- <BR>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net<BR>-- <BR>Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS<BR> INET: DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM<BR><BR>Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 <A href="http://www.fatcity.com/">http://www.fatcity.com</A><BR>San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services<BR>---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message<BR>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in<BR>the messageReceived on Wed Jul 23 2003 - 13:35:49 CDT
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