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RE: RE: My career path and Oracle?

From: Gogala, Mladen <>
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:57:29 -0800
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I believe that working as a PHB will mean being beyond DB people. Literally.

Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:59 PM
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anyone considered going beyond the DB market? Im doing a masters in Software Engineering and when Im done may do one in Computer Science or do a Ph.D. in Information Technology.

Yeah its a bit of overkill, but want to be certain that if I have to switch to something else Ive got the skills to pick it up quick, plus the nice buzzwords on the resume.

anyone else doing this? Or picking up 3GL languages?
> From: "Loughmiller, Greg" <>
> Date: 2003/05/06 Tue PM 03:39:16 EDT
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <>
> Subject: RE: My career path and Oracle?
> agreed... Been there.. There are a few caveats that make a difference.
> Greg
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:27 PM
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> >-To be perfectly honest I believe experienced Oracle DBA's will have a
> easier time picking up SQL Server than the reverse
> This is very true. I am speaking from experience on this one.
> Dave
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:03 AM
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> I am not a guru but I am an experienced Oracle DBA, dedicated Oracle DBA
> the last 8 years with experience in data warehousing and VLDB. I have
> equally concerned. I don't think your fears are unfounded.
> My shop is predominately a windows/SQL*Server shop and in the last few
> versions SQL Server has made a lot of progress plus you get the TCO (lower
> total cost of ownership) argument by SQL*Server DBA's. Of course, I can't
> help teasing them that what they are saying is that they aren't as
> since TCO for SQL * Server is so very very much lower. The issue is
> scalability with SQL Server. However, it is hard to prove when the line
> crossed.
> Also, in reality I don't think SQL Server is that much cheaper than Oracle
> when you consider the "options" you need from SQL Server. It isn't a
> completely apples to apples comparison because the costs of the database
> blurred into the cost of the operating system, backup software, etc.
> It is also true that the opensource databases will be competitive in the
> smaller end of the market first. Not too many CIO's are going to want to
> take the risk of deploying large, mission-critical databases on
> They just don't get the warm and fuzzy. However, on CIO magazine's
> front-page which in my opinion is not radical but pretty mainstream the
> featured article was: "Opensource, what is your plan for migrating..." or
> some such thing. The basic concept being you must have a plan as a CIO
> opensource to implement to save cost to your organization. It is not a
> matter of if you will or won't but when are you going to implement
> opensource. My basic take is that LInux for web application servers and
> Apache will be implemented first. However, realize that it is a matter of
> time before opensource databases are implemented.
> India and other countries have invested a lot into their educational
> to make their labor market more competitive. Also, in the IT market there
> is little appreciation for experience from pointy-haired management or
> bean-counters. With both Microsoft and Oracle development teams moving
> overseas I think we will be seeing cheaper labor affecting the IT market
> the United States - it already is. I would like to see the certification
> process be more demanding and relevant as a way to objectively separate
> experienced and technically-saavy versus not. I can only hope I would
> the test myself but feel that it would be worth the effort.
> I am seriously thinking knowing more than one DBA engine is important. It
> gives you an edge. Also, knowing how to design systems, model databases
> answer business needs is also important. Data Architect is simply going
> become more important than DBA. Your ability to demonstrate that you can
> successfully deploy different types of databases using different database
> engines and even understanding and deploying systems on the web and
> understanding web application servers all will help. I am even seeing
> at issue in state government in Florida. The real gurus who have
> established a name in teaching, presenting, writing will still have a
> - especially overseas where these technologies are new. Also, you might
> some of these overseas companies hiring one or two senior members to
> and lead the largely unexperienced and cheaper data processing pools. I
> wrote a paper in college about multi-national corporations seeking out
> labor, totally able to work outside any countries laws or boundaries. I
> seeing some of that happening in the IT market. It reminds one of the
> Industrial Revolution and migration of industry to other countries with
> cheap labor. I see it in the quality of products (or lack of....).
> Those that have a lot invested in a particular RDBMS or skillset in all
> fairness will have the hardest time considering other options and perhaps
> they don't need to. The question is really about your ability to adapt,
> what skills you can leverage, your age, your level of expertise, etc. The
> young DBA guns in my organization and in other organizations seem to be
> getting into opensource a lot as a way to prove their worth even with lack
> of experience in saving money for the enterprise. Whether it really does
> not even important - consider the audience.
> I am worried and have been implementing 9IAS and also taking the lead in
> implementing a SQL Server database and will probably get certified in that
> as well. To be perfectly honest I believe experienced Oracle DBA's will
> have a much easier time picking up SQL Server than the reverse. Simply
> because to operate Oracle properly you need to know a lot of internals. I
> am still looking for the knobs on SQL Server and don't think there really
> are any.
> I hope this wasn't too long. It has been on my mind for awhile now.
> Oracle OCP DBA
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:22 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Hello Gurus,
> I've been wondering about something, at best this can be dangerous :-) Is
> anyone else been doing some serious career path evaluation?
> I have been wondering seriously about the future of Oracle, I don't know
> it is just my imagination but Oracle's market share seems to be dwindling
> rapidly, both on the small to medium enterprise but also in the high end
> enterprise scope. I think someone on this group mentioned the other day
> Oracle's revenues and market share base was begin held up by existing
> customers, and was not experiencing any noteworthy growth in new
> Lets face it Oracle is pricing itself out of the market, DBs like MSSQL,
> MySQL and Postgresql are beginning to out price it BIG time. Many of these
> DBs are beginning to add features to their feature lists that equal
> Am I the only one who is wondering if re-skilling now while I can and
> have a job, should be a serious consideration for this years career
> planning?
> Please share your views. I would love to hear how some of you feel on this
> subject.
> Regards
> Denham Eva
> Oracle DBA
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