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RE: Value of OCP

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:24:42 -0500
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I held out for 8 years as an Oracle DBA. I had been sent to training and interviewed Oracle DBA's and worked for Oracle as a DBA consultant w/o having the certification. It was based on my personal reputation, experience, network and interview. Those I believe still count more. However, in this tight IT market and with Oracle not doing altogether well in the RDBMS market it's all good. Just get it on the cheap I say. Also, it may be the tie breaker for a new job. I wouldn't expect reimbursement or automatic job raise on this alone with the market in IT being what it was.

Plus I got annoyed with this being used to justify the invalid argument of a much less experienced, less talented person by a pointed-haired management type.

Oracle OCP DBA

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From: Pete Sharman [mailto:peter.sharman_at_oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:36 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Value of OCP

Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my manager! After going through the 7.3, 8, 8i and 9i OCP AND the OCM, I don't think any of them got me a pay increase! ;)

Pete
"Controlling developers is like herding cats." Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
"Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA  

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WILLIAMS
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Foote Partners surveys the value of certifications. They support that over the past two years, the OCP pay premium increased by nearly 40%. In the same period, the value of Microsoft MCP declined by nearly 60%.

A good article on the value of certifications. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936853,00.asp I don't see where they included the Foote data online. It is in the eWeek magazine 3/17/03 edition, page 50.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I held out for 8 years as an Oracle DBA.&nbsp; I had =
been sent to training and interviewed Oracle DBA's and worked for = Oracle as a DBA consultant w/o having the certification.&nbsp; It was = based on my personal reputation, experience, network and = interview.&nbsp; Those I believe still count more.&nbsp; However, in = this tight IT market and with Oracle not doing altogether well in the = RDBMS market it's all good.&nbsp; Just get it on the cheap I say.&nbsp; = Also, it may be the tie breaker for a new job.&nbsp; I wouldn't expect = reimbursement or automatic job raise on this alone with the market in = IT being what it was.&nbsp; </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Plus I got annoyed with this being used to justify =
the invalid argument of a much less experienced, less talented person = by a pointed-haired management type.&nbsp; </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Oracle OCP DBA</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Pete Sharman [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:peter.sharman_at_oracle.com">mailto:peter.sharman_at_oracle.com=
</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:36 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Value of OCP</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dang, I gotta get a copy of that report to my =
manager!&nbsp; After going</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>through the 7.3, 8, 8i and 9i OCP AND the OCM, I =
don't think any of them</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>got me a pay increase!&nbsp; ;)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Controlling developers is like herding =
cats.&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Oh no, it's not.&nbsp; It's much harder than =
that!&quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>WILLIAMS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:50 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Foote Partners surveys the value of certifications. =
They support that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>over the past two years, the OCP pay premium =
increased by nearly 40%. In</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the same period, the value of Microsoft MCP declined =
by nearly 60%.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>A good article on the value of certifications.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936853,00.asp" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,936853,00.asp</A>=
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I don't see where they included the Foote data =
online. It is in the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>eWeek magazine 3/17/03 edition, page 50.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dennis Williams</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lifetouch, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com </FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dennis Williams</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lifetouch, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; INET: DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Author: Pete Sharman</FONT>
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