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Re[2]: RE: New DBA.

From: <dgoulet_at_vicr.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:24:11 -0500
Message-Id: <24726.322565@fatcity.com>


There are entry level DBA positions, although I will admit they are few and far between. We had one, filled it & now have promoted the guy. He did not come from an IT related area (actually was a "bean counter" before). A couple of years ago I'd probably have said it was a mistake to open up such a position. Now I'm of a completely different mind set. It did me and the company as a whole a lot of good. I can see Pat's point of view. There are a number of smart folks coming out of these schools who need that first opening. I think it is up to the rest of us, the already established DBA's, to encourage our management to open up a hole or two for the younger crowd. At least then you can pass along your own bad habits, like tuning towards a particular BCHR.

Dick Goulet

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Subject: Re: RE: New DBA.
Author: <rgaffuri_at_cox.net>
Date: 3/20/2003 6:08 AM

There is no such thing as an entry level DBA. This has been a myth for a while. Alot of training companies offering incredibly expensive classes are duping people into believing these jobs exist. Oracle DBA is a real buzzword term so people think there are lots of entry level positions.

DBAs start off as developers or System administrators and move over. In the state of the current economy, I do not know of any entry level developer jobs for people without clearances and a computer science degree.

Its not a knock on the guy who sent this email. There are thousands of people like him in the US who get duped into believing these jobs exist. They dont. I just hope he didnt get conned into paying several thousand dollars to a training company...
>
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
> Date: 2003/03/20 Thu AM 08:23:57 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Subject: RE: New DBA.
>
> Pat
> Not to be impolite, but what makes you think this is the next logical
> career move for you? Before you become a DBA it is good if you have a lot of
> other computer experience, such as development or system administration. You
> really need to understand how large computer systems work and how all the
> various pieces fit together.
> One step you can take is to work on Oracle Certification. This will not
> make you a DBA, when you don't have experience, this work will show your
> serious intent to learn to a prospective employer.
> Get a job at a site that uses Oracle, using whatever background you have.
> If you are a developer, get a job as a developer. If you are a system
> administrator, get a job as an administrator. Most of us gradually learned
> more and more about Oracle before getting a DBA job. I was a developer that
> began supporting Oracle for development activities, gradually learning DBA
> skills in a non-production environment.
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:09 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Anyone please suggest me
> if non-experience but knowledge DBA cannot get job,
> how they become experience DBA until they can get job.
>
> Thanks
> Pat.
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