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Oh, Gods forbid the sysadmins would have to <gulp> do their job...
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210.581.6217
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mogens Nørgaard [SMTP:mln_at_miracleas.dk]
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:25 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?
>
> There are many things I don't get in this life. One of them is the
> statements about disk storage being an admin nightmare and way too
> expensive. Aren't disks very cheap these days?!
>
> Mogens
>
> dgoulet_at_vicr.com wrote:
>
> >Rahul,
> >
> > This is personal opinion, but it looks to me like your concerned
> about the
> >database your creating for the client and may not have the total or
> corporate
> >wide view your client has. We're heading down the SAN road not because
> of any
> >specific database requirements but because disk storage has become an
> >administrative nightmare as well as way too expensive.
> >
> >Dick Goulet
> >
> >____________________Reply Separator____________________
> >Author: "Arun Annamalai" <oracle_at_shakaboom.com>
> >Date: 3/13/2003 12:24 PM
> >
> >Usaually SAN and NAS is used for several good reasons...the two main
> are...
> >1) High availability - When you have your database files on SAN/NAS then
> you can
> >bring ur database on another server when the primary goes down. Obviously
> you
> >have to use a cluster or Big IP (F5) on the front.
> >2) reduce redundancy -A unix userid with home directory attached to a
> paticular
> >NFS drive on NAS/SAN, will able to see all his files when he logs into
> other
> >servers.
> >
> >so far I heard "Net App" is low cost including with Raid 5.
> >
> >-Arun.
> >Sr oracle dba
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rahul
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?
> >
> >
> > my reasons to recommend an external storage was..
> > 1) the database size is 36GB, and according to many documents i have
> read, SAN
> >is not cost effevtive unless populated
> > by a large numbers of drives !!, now for the client the cost is not the
> >factor.. given the situation.. wouldnt a SAN be an overkill ?
> >
> > 2) NO DBA or SYS ADMIN skills to manage the SAN !!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tim Gorman
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: why SAN ? why not external storage ?
> >
> >
> > Can you share some of the reasons related to your decision in
> choosing a
> >direct-attach storage (DAS) instead of a SAN? In general, a SAN is a
> much
> >smarter choice than DAS.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rahul
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:33 AM
> > Subject: why SAN ? why not external storage ?
> >
> >
> > list, one of our clietns are going to by SAN, the current oracle
> databases
> >take around
> > 36GB of storage.... i dnt understand there reason to go for SAN, i
> >sugguested to buy an external storage
> > box instead. How can i justify my desicion ? (cost of not the
> factor)
> >
> > TIA
> > rahul
> >
> >
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> ><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Usaually SAN and NAS is used for several
> good
> >reasons...the two main are...</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1) High availability - When you have your
> database
> >files on SAN/NAS then you can bring ur database on another server when
> the
> >primary goes down. Obviously you have to use a cluster or Big IP (F5) on
> the
> >front.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) reduce redundancy -</FONT><FONT
> face=Arial
> >size=2>A unix userid with home directory attached to a
> paticular
> >NFS drive on NAS/SAN, will able to see all his files
> when
> >he logs into other servers.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so far I heard "Net App" is low cost
> including with
> >
> >Raid 5.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Arun.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sr oracle dba</FONT></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
> >style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT:
> >#000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=rahul_at_infotech.co.id
> href="mailto:rahul_at_infotech.co.id">Rahul</A>
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > href="mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com">Multiple recipients of list
> ORACLE-L</A>
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 12, 2003
> 9:38
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: why SAN ? why not
> external
> > storage ?</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>my reasons to recommend an external
> storage
> > was..</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1) the database size is 36GB, and
> according to
> > many documents i have read, SAN is not cost effevtive unless populated
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>by a large numbers of drives !!, now for
> the
> > client the cost is not the factor.. given the situation.. wouldnt a SAN
> be an
> > overkill ? </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) NO DBA or SYS ADMIN skills to manage
> the SAN
> > !! </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT:
> >#000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> >black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=Tim_at_SageLogix.com href="mailto:Tim_at_SageLogix.com">Tim
> Gorman</A>
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > href="mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com">Multiple recipients of list
> ORACLE-L</A>
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 12, 2003
> 8:33
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: why SAN ? why not
> external
> >
> > storage ?</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can you share some
> > of the reasons related to your decision in choosing a
> > direct-attach storage (DAS) instead of a SAN? In general,
> a SAN
> > is a much smarter choice than DAS.</FONT></DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT:
> >#000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> >black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=rahul_at_infotech.co.id
> href="mailto:rahul_at_infotech.co.id">Rahul</A>
> >
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > href="mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com">Multiple recipients of list
> > ORACLE-L</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 12,
> 2003 1:33
> > AM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> why SAN ? why not
> external
> > storage ?</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>list, one of our clietns are going to
> by SAN,
> >
> > the current oracle databases take around </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>36GB of storage.... i dnt understand
> there
> > reason to go for SAN, i sugguested to buy an external storage
> ></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>box instead. How can i justify my
> desicion ?
> > (cost of not the factor) </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TIA</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>rahul</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> >
> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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