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RE: Oracle Magazine excels itself

From: Gogala, Mladen <MGogala_at_oxhp.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:14:14 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0055ED3D.20030303121414@fatcity.com>


Does it work the way round? Should one call technical magazine a "definitive marketing source"?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cary Millsap [mailto:cary.millsap_at_hotsos.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:24 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Oracle Magazine excels itself
>
>
> If you don't call a marketing magazine a "definitive
> technical source,"
> then it can't function as a marketing magazine. :)
>
>
> Cary Millsap
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> -----Original Message-----
> Kirti
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:39 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> There is SELECT journal from IOUG !!
> John K. and Jared S. are contributing editors.
>
> >From Oracle's Web site:
>
> Oracle Magazine:
>
> Oracle Magazine is the definitive source for information on
> the use and
> development of Oracle products.
>
> Profit Magazine:
> Profit: Oracle's E-Business Magazine covers technology issues from a
> business vantage point. Profit shows how companies are meeting and
> exceeding their goals by working with Oracle products, services, and
> partners to achieve measurable business advantage.
>
>
> - Kirti
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:34 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Oracle magazine is primarily a marketing magazine I think.
>
> Like MCP Magazine or DB2 magazine.
>
> I don't think it's intended to be a technical journal.
>
> It's intended to be an exciting place to talk about new features and
> peddle
> 3rd party products through ads.
>
> Is there a 3rd party magazine out there that covers only / mostly
> Oracle?
> That might be more interesting.
>
> Regards,
> Pat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:19 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I agree wholeheartedly, the reason being (to share my
> own experiences), that some months ago I sent some
> feedback on an (unrelated) article in Oracle magazine
> because I thought much of it was incorrect.
>
> I got a reply from the author of the article basically
> agreeing with my points.
>
> Of course, *that* reply came offline, not in the
> magazine!
>
> Cheers
> Connor
>
> --- Jonathan Lewis <jonathan_at_jlcomp.demon.co.uk>
> wrote: >
> >
> > I think it was only a few weeks ago that
> > I posted a list of errors in an article about
> > statspack that Oracle Magazine published
> > in January.
> >
> > You may be interested to see that another reader
> > sent a letter to the editor about the same article,
> > which has been published, with a response, in
> > the March issue.
> >
> > <<quote>>
> >
> > I found an error in "Advanced Tuning with
> > Statspack" in your
> > January/February 2003 issue. Rich Niemiec writes
> > that in
> > the event of a wait on a segment header to
> > increase the
> > Freelist groups. Freelist groups only apply to
> > Oracle9i RAC
> > systems, and have nothing to do buffer busy
> > waits on
> > non-RAC systems.
> >
> > <<end quote>>
> >
> > << my comment>>
> >
> > It is, of course, unfortunate that this 'correction'
> > is actually
> > wrong. Although the manuals have persistently
> > stated, until
> > very recently, that freelist groups were relevant
> > only to OPS,
> > they have been effective in single instance Oracle
> > for a long
> > time - possibly as far back as 7.2.3
> >
> > <<end of my comment>>
> >
> > <<Rich Niemiec's reply>>
> >
> > Freelist groups do, in fact, have some benefits
> > apart from
> > Oracle9i RAC. MetaLink says that Freelist groups
> > can
> > have a positive impact in an exclusive
> > environment
> > (non-RAC) by helping reduce contention on the
> > segment
> > header. However, I should point out that segment
> > header
> > block contention can be addressed without
> > multiple Freelist
> > groups, for example, by increasing the
> > pctfree/pctused gap
> > or by partitioning the segment.
> >
> > <<end of reply>>
> >
> >
> > <<My comments>>
> >
> > Surely the point of a 'readers comments' section is
> > to get feedback from the readers, add value to the
> > article by including readers' experiences or extra
> > observations, allow expression of readers' attitudes
> > and feelings (without an aggressive editorial
> > response),
> > and, if an actual error does get noted, allow a
> > correction
> > to be published.
> >
> >
> > So why publish this erroneous correction ? It did
> > not
> > add value to the article, it didn't even expose the
> > need
> > for clarification of a point. It merely elicited a
> > repetition
> > of some material that had already been stated in the
> > article (which originally said: "... If this is the
> > case, increase
> > the freelist groups or increase the pctused to
> > pctfree gap"...)
> > plus the claim that the author had to be right
> > because the
> > comment was taken from Metalink.
> >
> >
> > It would, quite arguably, have been valid to reply
> > with
> > something like: "Your comments do, indeed reflect
> > a well-known, and often documented, misconception
> > about freelist groups. However, the behaviour
> > changed in
> > Oracle 7.X.X, and single-instance Oracle will take
> > advantage of multiple free list groups. Be careful,
> > however, that you set FREELISTS and FREELIST
> > GROUPS to relatively co-prime numbers, or you
> > will lose some of the benefits etc....."
> >
> >
> > So what has the dialogue achieved:
> >
> > a) It hasn't improved the knowledge of the
> > readers.
> >
> > b) It has told readers that they had better not
> > write in if they think that there is an error in
> > one of the articles unless they want to run
> > the risk of looking stupid in public.
> >
> > c) It has given Rich Niemiec the chance to
> > say "I'm right, you're wrong - yah, boo, sucks".
> >
> >
> > I'm not impressed..
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jonathan Lewis
> > http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk
> >
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