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Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?

From: david davis <ddoralist_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:03:48 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0054FB60.20030217180348@fatcity.com>


In your scenario - I would install the same version as what is being taught in your course. You can always install 9i later after you become comfortable with 8i.

David Davis

>From: "Les Ayudo" <info_at_lesayudo.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?
>Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:28:58 -0800
>
>I'm going to go ahead w/ the Oracle 8i course. I spoke w/ the course
>instructor and he also advised me to take the 8i course because Oracle8i is
>what is out there. So my question is:
>
>Should I install Oracle 8i or 9i at home? What would u guys do? I would
>love to learn both.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:23 AM
>
>
> > hello
> >
> > ... and offers more features like xml database, bulk query, can be set
>compatible to 8i, ...
> >
> > if you can choose take 9i. that's what we did.
> >
> > BUT: nothing is flawless. Be prepared for patches and "pitfalls" - even
>in
>9i rel 2.
> >
> > We run 9i and 8i on NT5 and Solaris 8 and 9 and linux. patches and
>pitfalls in the UNIX world are almost the same, little differences to the
>NT
>world.
> >
> >
> > Apologies for any typing mistakes I failed to notice.
> >
> >
> > Markus Reger
> >
> > Oracle Applications DBA
> > Webmaster
> > MBC
> >
> > University for Music and Performing Art
> > Vienna
> > >>> ddoralist_at_hotmail.com 02/16/03 06:05 AM >>>
> > If its just the basic's I think 9i is actually easier than the older
> > versions. For example using Undo Management instead of trying to learn
>the
> > use of Rollback segments. Of course with Oracle (like most vendors) you
>can
> > get bogged down when the kitchen sink has been tossed at you on the
>install
> > CD's. It can seem overwhelming.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Les Ayudo" <info_at_lesayudo.com>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?
> > >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:33:39 -0800
> > >
> > >Is 9i a lot more difficult to learn than 8i? Can i use what I learned
>on
>8i
> > >on 9i?
> > >
> > >--pachanga
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:43 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Les,
> > > >
> > > > Something to consider on which to choose is the market pentration
>for
>9i
> > > > implementations. I work for a large insurance company which has zero
>9i
> > > > implementations. In fact as far as I know the key system I work on
>will
> > > > probably be the first one (Oracle 7.3.4 -> 9i) going in Q3/Q4. Most
>of
> > >our
> > > > systems are 8 with some on 8i. Clients are funny in not wanting to
>part
> > >with
> > > > money to perform database upgrades. If they don't see any benefit
>from
> > >it.
> > > >
> > > > On that basis, you might want to consider at least learning
>something
> > >about
> > > > 8i as it would be very likely you would run into a client that is
>using
> > >it.
> > > > Though going the 8i classes then upgrading to 9i does feel like a
>lot
>of
> > > > work. Something I hate. :-)
> > > >
> > > > David Davis
> > > > Manulife Financial
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Les Ayudo" <info_at_lesayudo.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?
> > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:53:46 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks, that got me happy since I do have a couple years of windows
> > > > >experience ;)
> > > > >So now, i have 1 vote for oracle 8i and one for 9i. Any other
> > >opinions?
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > > >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:54 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Les - Oh you wanted the hard questions answered as well. Given
>that
> > >you
> > > > > > mentioned you were a MS sys admin, I'd say that would give you a
>leg
> > >up.
> > > > >A
> > > > > > lot of shops have combined DBA/Sys admins for MS. That might be
>your
> > > > >easiest
> > > > > > transition. I hate to say this, especially on this list, but you
>may
> > > > >want
> > > > >to
> > > > > > look at adding MS SQL certification just to give you more
>options,
> > >like
> > > > >the
> > > > > > target employer might have Oracle and MS SQL. Depending on your
> > >salary
> > > > > > demands, your chances of getting on as a newbie DBA are probably
> > >okay.
> > >A
> > > > >lot
> > > > > > depends on your networking ability, good resume, no criminal
>record
> > >that
> > > > >can
> > > > > > be easily traced ;-), good personal hygiene, charm in
>interviews,
> > > > > > persistence, and just plain luck.
> > > > > > The ecommerce side has had a real dose of reality in the last
> > >couple
> > > > >of
> > > > > > years, but is still there. Consider just getting some Oracle
> > >experience
> > > > >and
> > > > > > then moving over to ecommerce. Most companies still have some
>type
> > >of
> > > > > > ecommerce area. Otherwise, in your spare time, learn everything
>you
> > >can
> > > > > > about ecommerce from the marketing drivel down to HTML.
> > > > > > These are obviously not well-informed opinions, but worth
>every
> > >penny
> > > > >you
> > > > > > paid ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:19 PM
> > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Can i get
>some
> > > > >input
> > > > > > on these 2 questions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What chances am I looking at to
> > > > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting
>DBs
>to
> > > > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > > > > > > following? Thanks in advance!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THANKS, I'M STARTING TO LIKE THIS LIST ALREADY!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
><ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:35 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Les - Here is an idea for you. Think up a trivial application
>for
> > >a
> > > > > > > database. Maybe your home albums or DVDs. Try to make it a
>little
> > > > > > > relational, like have an "artist" table. Force yourself to
>work
> > >with
> > > > >it.
> > > > > > At
> > > > > > > the right time I was secretary of a bowling league, so each
>year
>I
> > > > >rewrote
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > league management program in a different language, whatever I
> > >needed
> > > > >to
> > > > > > > learn. I went through Oracle, COBOL, Perl, C, all in different
> > >years.
> > > > >The
> > > > > > > point is that by playing "user" you get a good feel for why
>the
> > >heck
> > > > > > > somebody would use a database to begin with.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > > > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:00 PM
> > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm more of a windoz SA and have been working with a little
>Unix
> > >here
> > > > >&
> > > > > > > there for hte past 2yrs.... (RH, Mandrake, Solaris). What I
> > >really
> > > > >want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > accomplish is to switch to Unix and Databases. My goal is to
>use
> > >my
> > > > > > > certifcation as a way to get my foot in the door of the DB
>world
> > >and
> > > > >after
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > couple of years, do some consulting. I downloaded oracle 9i
>for
> > > > >Solaris
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > have yet to install it because I wanted to read up on Oracle
>1st.
> > > > >Will
> > > > > > > install it this weekend ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to work with DBs because I think it's always going to
>be
> > >about
> > > > > > > managing information and the need is never going to die. I
>don't
> > >know
> > > > >of
> > > > > > > any midsize companies who would survive w/o some type of DB
>and
> > >after
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > > laid off twice, I'm reconsidering going into a different IT
> > >career.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > To: Multiple <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> recipients of list
> > > > >ORACLE-L
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university
>but
> > >not
> > > > >if
> > > > > > > the local community college offers the classes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i
>certification
>is
> > >to
> > > > >go
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official'
> > >manuals
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to
>already
> > >have
> > >a
> > > > >jr
> > > > > > > dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I
>had
> > >a
> > > > >fairly
> > > > > > > decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level.
>(although
> > >I
> > > > >will
> > > > > > > say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically
>in
> > >the
> > > > >last
> > > > > > > several months since I joined this list and began reading
>book's
> > >such
> > > > >as
> > > > > > > steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle
>8i
> > > > >building
> > > > > > > efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest
>in
> > > > > > continuing
> > > > > > > to improve my knowledge of all things oracle)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What really, really erks me is the fact that these
>certifications
> > >have
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even
> > >entire
> > > > > > exams
> > > > > > > over the internet. People should be in it for the
>knowledge....not
> > > > >just
> > > > >to
> > > > > > > get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job
> > >where
> > >I
> > > > > > > pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification
>only
>to
> > >be
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee
>shop
> > >and
> > > > >not
> > > > > > > have to deal with the stress (but that's just me)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyways, I'm rambling now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chris
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put
>up
> > >with
> > > > > > > questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY
> > >appreciated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have a good one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM
> > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take
>4
> > >exams
> > > > > > > at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to
>take
> > >up
> > > > > > > to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Lyndon Tiu
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quoting Les Ayudo <info_at_lesayudo.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified.
>There
> > >are
> > > > > > > > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one
> > >offers
> > > > > > > > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other
>offers
> > >all
> > > > > > > > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses,
>would
> > >I
> > > > > > > > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I
> > >attend?
> > > > > > > > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a
>good
> > > > > > > > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at
>to
> > > > > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting
>DBs
> > >to
> > > > > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > > > > > > > following? Thanks in advance!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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