If its just the basic's I think 9i is actually easier than the older
versions. For example using Undo Management instead of trying to learn the
use of Rollback segments. Of course with Oracle (like most vendors) you can
get bogged down when the kitchen sink has been tossed at you on the install
CD's. It can seem overwhelming.
>From: "Les Ayudo" <info_at_lesayudo.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?
>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:33:39 -0800
>
>Is 9i a lot more difficult to learn than 8i? Can i use what I learned on 8i
>on 9i?
>
>--pachanga
>----- Original Message -----
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:43 PM
>
>
> > Les,
> >
> > Something to consider on which to choose is the market pentration for 9i
> > implementations. I work for a large insurance company which has zero 9i
> > implementations. In fact as far as I know the key system I work on will
> > probably be the first one (Oracle 7.3.4 -> 9i) going in Q3/Q4. Most of
>our
> > systems are 8 with some on 8i. Clients are funny in not wanting to part
>with
> > money to perform database upgrades. If they don't see any benefit from
>it.
> >
> > On that basis, you might want to consider at least learning something
>about
> > 8i as it would be very likely you would run into a client that is using
>it.
> > Though going the 8i classes then upgrading to 9i does feel like a lot of
> > work. Something I hate. :-)
> >
> > David Davis
> > Manulife Financial
> >
> >
> > >From: "Les Ayudo" <info_at_lesayudo.com>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?
> > >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:53:46 -0800
> > >
> > >Thanks, that got me happy since I do have a couple years of windows
> > >experience ;)
> > >So now, i have 1 vote for oracle 8i and one for 9i. Any other
>opinions?
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:54 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Les - Oh you wanted the hard questions answered as well. Given that
>you
> > > > mentioned you were a MS sys admin, I'd say that would give you a leg
>up.
> > >A
> > > > lot of shops have combined DBA/Sys admins for MS. That might be your
> > >easiest
> > > > transition. I hate to say this, especially on this list, but you may
> > >want
> > >to
> > > > look at adding MS SQL certification just to give you more options,
>like
> > >the
> > > > target employer might have Oracle and MS SQL. Depending on your
>salary
> > > > demands, your chances of getting on as a newbie DBA are probably
>okay.
>A
> > >lot
> > > > depends on your networking ability, good resume, no criminal record
>that
> > >can
> > > > be easily traced ;-), good personal hygiene, charm in interviews,
> > > > persistence, and just plain luck.
> > > > The ecommerce side has had a real dose of reality in the last
>couple
> > >of
> > > > years, but is still there. Consider just getting some Oracle
>experience
> > >and
> > > > then moving over to ecommerce. Most companies still have some type
>of
> > > > ecommerce area. Otherwise, in your spare time, learn everything you
>can
> > > > about ecommerce from the marketing drivel down to HTML.
> > > > These are obviously not well-informed opinions, but worth every
>penny
> > >you
> > > > paid ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:19 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Can i get some
> > >input
> > > > on these 2 questions:
> > > >
> > > > What chances am I looking at to
> > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to
> > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > > > > following? Thanks in advance!!
> > > >
> > > > THANKS, I'M STARTING TO LIKE THIS LIST ALREADY!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:35 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Les - Here is an idea for you. Think up a trivial application for
>a
> > > > > database. Maybe your home albums or DVDs. Try to make it a little
> > > > > relational, like have an "artist" table. Force yourself to work
>with
> > >it.
> > > > At
> > > > > the right time I was secretary of a bowling league, so each year I
> > >rewrote
> > > > a
> > > > > league management program in a different language, whatever I
>needed
> > >to
> > > > > learn. I went through Oracle, COBOL, Perl, C, all in different
>years.
> > >The
> > > > > point is that by playing "user" you get a good feel for why the
>heck
> > > > > somebody would use a database to begin with.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:00 PM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm more of a windoz SA and have been working with a little Unix
>here
> > >&
> > > > > there for hte past 2yrs.... (RH, Mandrake, Solaris). What I
>really
> > >want
> > > > to
> > > > > accomplish is to switch to Unix and Databases. My goal is to use
>my
> > > > > certifcation as a way to get my foot in the door of the DB world
>and
> > >after
> > > > a
> > > > > couple of years, do some consulting. I downloaded oracle 9i for
> > >Solaris
> > > > and
> > > > > have yet to install it because I wanted to read up on Oracle 1st.
> > >Will
> > > > > install it this weekend ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to work with DBs because I think it's always going to be
>about
> > > > > managing information and the need is never going to die. I don't
>know
> > >of
> > > > > any midsize companies who would survive w/o some type of DB and
>after
> > > > being
> > > > > laid off twice, I'm reconsidering going into a different IT
>career.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > To: Multiple <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> recipients of list
> > >ORACLE-L
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university but
>not
> > >if
> > > > > the local community college offers the classes.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i certification is
>to
> > >go
> > > > to
> > > > > the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official'
>manuals
> > >and
> > > > > never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to already
>have
>a
> > >jr
> > > > > dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I had
>a
> > >fairly
> > > > > decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level. (although
>I
> > >will
> > > > > say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in
>the
> > >last
> > > > > several months since I joined this list and began reading book's
>such
> > >as
> > > > > steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i
> > >building
> > > > > efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in
> > > > continuing
> > > > > to improve my knowledge of all things oracle)
> > > > >
> > > > > What really, really erks me is the fact that these certifications
>have
> > > > been
> > > > > cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even
>entire
> > > > exams
> > > > > over the internet. People should be in it for the knowledge....not
> > >just
> > >to
> > > > > get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job
>where
>I
> > > > > pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification only to
>be
> > > > given
> > > > > actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop
>and
> > >not
> > > > > have to deal with the stress (but that's just me)
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyways, I'm rambling now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put up
>with
> > > > > questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY
>appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have a good one.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > >
> > > > > 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take 4
>exams
> > > > > at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP.
> > > > >
> > > > > 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to take
>up
> > > > > to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Lyndon Tiu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting Les Ayudo <info_at_lesayudo.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified. There
>are
> > > > > > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one
>offers
> > > > > > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other offers
>all
> > > > > > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses, would
>I
> > > > > > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I
>attend?
> > > > > > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a good
> > > > > > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at to
> > > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs
>to
> > > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > > > > > following? Thanks in advance!!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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