Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?

Is 9i a lot more difficult to learn than 8i? Can i use what I learned on 8i on 9i?

--pachanga
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To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:43 PM

> Les,
>
> Something to consider on which to choose is the market pentration for 9i
> implementations. I work for a large insurance company which has zero 9i
> implementations. In fact as far as I know the key system I work on will
> probably be the first one (Oracle 7.3.4 -> 9i) going in Q3/Q4. Most of
our
> systems are 8 with some on 8i. Clients are funny in not wanting to part
with
> money to perform database upgrades. If they don't see any benefit from it.
>
> On that basis, you might want to consider at least learning something
about
> 8i as it would be very likely you would run into a client that is using
it.
> Though going the 8i classes then upgrading to 9i does feel like a lot of
> work. Something I hate. :-)
>
> David Davis
> Manulife Financial
>
>
> >From: "Les Ayudo" <info_at_lesayudo.com>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?
> >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:53:46 -0800
> >
> >Thanks, that got me happy since I do have a couple years of windows
> >experience ;)
> >So now, i have 1 vote for oracle 8i and one for 9i. Any other opinions?
> >----- Original Message -----
> >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:54 PM
> >
> >
> > > Les - Oh you wanted the hard questions answered as well. Given that
you
> > > mentioned you were a MS sys admin, I'd say that would give you a leg
up.
> >A
> > > lot of shops have combined DBA/Sys admins for MS. That might be your
> >easiest
> > > transition. I hate to say this, especially on this list, but you may
> >want
> >to
> > > look at adding MS SQL certification just to give you more options,
like
> >the
> > > target employer might have Oracle and MS SQL. Depending on your salary
> > > demands, your chances of getting on as a newbie DBA are probably okay.
A
> >lot
> > > depends on your networking ability, good resume, no criminal record
that
> >can
> > > be easily traced ;-), good personal hygiene, charm in interviews,
> > > persistence, and just plain luck.
> > > The ecommerce side has had a real dose of reality in the last
couple
> >of
> > > years, but is still there. Consider just getting some Oracle
experience
> >and
> > > then moving over to ecommerce. Most companies still have some type of
> > > ecommerce area. Otherwise, in your spare time, learn everything you
can
> > > about ecommerce from the marketing drivel down to HTML.
> > > These are obviously not well-informed opinions, but worth every
penny
> >you
> > > paid ;-)
> > >
> > > Dennis Williams
> > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:19 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Can i get some
> >input
> > > on these 2 questions:
> > >
> > > What chances am I looking at to
> > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> > > >
> > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to
> > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > > > following? Thanks in advance!!
> > >
> > > THANKS, I'M STARTING TO LIKE THIS LIST ALREADY!!!!!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:35 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > > Les - Here is an idea for you. Think up a trivial application for a
> > > > database. Maybe your home albums or DVDs. Try to make it a little
> > > > relational, like have an "artist" table. Force yourself to work with
> >it.
> > > At
> > > > the right time I was secretary of a bowling league, so each year I
> >rewrote
> > > a
> > > > league management program in a different language, whatever I needed
> >to
> > > > learn. I went through Oracle, COBOL, Perl, C, all in different
years.
> >The
> > > > point is that by playing "user" you get a good feel for why the heck
> > > > somebody would use a database to begin with.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dennis Williams
> > > > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> > > > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:00 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm more of a windoz SA and have been working with a little Unix
here
> >&
> > > > there for hte past 2yrs.... (RH, Mandrake, Solaris). What I really
> >want
> > > to
> > > > accomplish is to switch to Unix and Databases. My goal is to use my
> > > > certifcation as a way to get my foot in the door of the DB world and
> >after
> > > a
> > > > couple of years, do some consulting. I downloaded oracle 9i for
> >Solaris
> > > and
> > > > have yet to install it because I wanted to read up on Oracle 1st.
> >Will
> > > > install it this weekend ;)
> > > >
> > > > I want to work with DBs because I think it's always going to be
about
> > > > managing information and the need is never going to die. I don't
know
> >of
> > > > any midsize companies who would survive w/o some type of DB and
after
> > > being
> > > > laid off twice, I'm reconsidering going into a different IT career.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > To: Multiple <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> recipients of list
> >ORACLE-L
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:34 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university but
not
> >if
> > > > the local community college offers the classes.
> > > >
> > > > What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i certification is
to
> >go
> > > to
> > > > the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official' manuals
> >and
> > > > never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to already have
a
> >jr
> > > > dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I had a
> >fairly
> > > > decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level. (although I
> >will
> > > > say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in
the
> >last
> > > > several months since I joined this list and began reading book's
such
> >as
> > > > steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i
> >building
> > > > efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in
> > > continuing
> > > > to improve my knowledge of all things oracle)
> > > >
> > > > What really, really erks me is the fact that these certifications
have
> > > been
> > > > cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even
entire
> > > exams
> > > > over the internet. People should be in it for the knowledge....not
> >just
> >to
> > > > get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job where
I
> > > > pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification only to
be
> > > given
> > > > actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop
and
> >not
> > > > have to deal with the stress (but that's just me)
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, I'm rambling now.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put up with
> > > > questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY
appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Have a good one.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > > 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take 4
exams
> > > > at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP.
> > > >
> > > > 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to take up
> > > > to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lyndon Tiu
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Les Ayudo <info_at_lesayudo.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified. There
are
> > > > > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one offers
> > > > > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other offers all
> > > > > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses, would I
> > > > > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I attend?
> > > > > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a good
> > > > > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at to
> > > > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to
> > > > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > > > > following? Thanks in advance!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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