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Tim,
Sometimes Oracle people do put the names of the original authors on the MetaLink site. Way before MetaLink turned up in the internet the way it's now, Oracle Support used to be on a CompuServe Forum "orasupport". I used to contribute articles to that and they did put it up there with my name as the author. After the creation of MetaLink, one (only one, though) of the articles was put on MetaLink (Note 37906.1); and guess what, my name was there, with a very strict disclaimer that it was from a customer and should be used at the user's own risk.
In this case, I suppose the same policy could have been followed. However, the circumstances were different - I contributed the article on my own volition and in this case they lifted Jared's code. What might have happened, I only speculate, they assigned some "bright" support engineer to write the script. Instead of writing, the lazy engineer simply lifted the code from Jared's site and declared as his/her own. Naturally he couldn't have asked for Jared's permission, that would have tantamounted to admitting not writing it him/herself. And s/he must have been so lazy that s/he couldn't even rewrite the scripts.
Again, this is purely my speculation. But that's what must have happened.
Arup
>From: "Tim Gorman" <Tim_at_SageLogix.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: Re: dump.sql
>Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:16:57 -0800
>
>There has been a fair amount of discussion about it - on this list, on
>other
>lists, in SELECT magazine, etc. Jared has a perfect right to be annoyed
>that use has been taken but attribution was not given. I post a bunch of
>things on my website and that's all I ask, explicitly, at the top of the
>page.
>
>To be honest, I suspect that what has happened is that the matter has come
>to the attention of the folks who manage MetaLink content. They likely
>queried the lawyers at Oracle about what to do, getting the response, "No
>way! Do not allow an individual's name to remain on anything in the
>MetaLink Knowledge Base for any reason". And, "By the way, do not even
>communicate with the individual as that might provide basis for some sort
>of
>claim or lien"...
>
>...or some kind of surreal legalistic garbage like that...
>
>Just my guesses, but that's probably what happens when the worlds of
>"share-ware" and "capitalized intellectual property" collide. In one
>world,
>it's about bad manners and grounds for serious disrespect. In the other
>world, it's about limiting liability, potential litigation, and "no blood,
>no foul; get up off the floor and keep playing"...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:19 AM
>
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > Besides it is available on Metalink, accessable to those users who are
> > holding valid support licence and Jared is just pointing to that
>direction.
> > There is nothing wrong in it as far as copyright is concerned. There is
>no
> > theft involved of any sort as Jared did not claim ownership of that
>script
> > either....
> >
> > Regards
> > Rafiq
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:33:55 -0800
> >
> > This has nothing to do with copyrights, patents, reputation, or IP.
>It's
>a
> > script. It was posted on the internet. Nothing more than a case of bad
> > manners.
> >
> > There is no disservice in not tilting at this particular windmill. You
>owe
> > Jared an apology.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:38 PM
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jared,
> > > I think a letter to the Redwood Shores police
> > > department alleging IP theft and asking them to investigate
> > > may be effective.
> > >
> > > I believe copyright in it's current business model is dead
> > > but since everyone's reputation is based on their copyrights
> > > you can not allow this theft to continue.
> > >
> > > If you do you are doing a disservice to everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > Jared wrote ...
> > > >
> > > > It may also be found at:
> > > >
> >
>http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab
> > ase_id=NOT&p_id=1050919.6
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it's back, still without credit.
> > > >
> > > > Please, no 'piracy' emails to Oracle about it.
> > > >
> > > > Jared
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Morgan
> > > Operations Manager, Rigskills Canada
> > > Canada's Geographical Oilfield Services Locator
> > > http://www.rigskills.ca
> > > dvmrgn_at_rigskills.ca
> > > 403 399 2442
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