Re: Oracle License for Training

Maria,
Here's something you may want to consider with this licensing. If it comes to blow$ with Oracle, and you do have to pay, go for the standard edition not the enterprise edition. It is much cheaper on a named user basis. Cost is in hundreds per user vs. thousands per user. You could accomplish normal SQL, PL/SQL, backup and recovery, basic DBA, and architecture with this version. The only hitch would be if you were planning to train any EE specific items.

Rodd Holman

On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 01:33, Maria Aurora VT de la Vega wrote:

> Hello Mogens,
>
> I really got interested with your reply.
> You seem to know a lot about how Oracle works with their licenses.
> Is this information just your opinion or you know it for a fact?
> I'd really appreciate if you could give your "legal" opinion,
> about what we plan to do.
>
> For starters, we plan to offer on-site trainings.
> I would be using Oracle software on my laptop.
> And maybe have the trainees install Oracle software on each of their PC's.
> I may or may not provide them the software.
> In any case, we would need at least one Oracle installation available for demos
> and hands on
> exercises.
> Eventually, we will be offering training for individual clients.
> Once we get the money to set up a place and get machines.
> But when we do, I am sure we still cannot afford to buy full use licenses for
> Oracle
> on those machines.
> We plan to make everything legit, including business registration, taxes,
> contracts with clients etc.
>
> Do you think we would have problems with Oracle
> with our use of downloaded software on a laptop for trainings?
> Why do you think that the licensing terms (for training) would not hold up in
> court?
> Is this loophole based on an international law or agreement or something?
>
> I really appreciate this information you are sharing.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> =)
>
> Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
>
> > When Klaus Andersen (the guy who hired me into Oracle Denmark in 1990,
> > and now is Managing Director of Microsoft Denmark) was head of Oracle
> > Education world-wide he put into the standard license terms that you
> > cannot use Oracle software for training of 3rd parties.
> >
> > Klaus is a very smart guy. I think he knew back then that those sort of
> > conditions would never hold up in court - but it kept a lot of
> > competitors out of the arena for many years because they were afraid of
> > big, bad Oracle Legal.
> >
> > Combine that with the fact that Oracle Education's terms for partners
> > are much worse than Microsoft's, and you get the idea: Oracle want to
> > keep competition out.
> >
> > That doesn't hold up very well in courts around the globe.
> >
> > If you challenge this foolish provision (or rather: If Oracle really
> > dares take you to court over it) I don't think you have to worry. In
> > fact I think I know you don't have to worry :-).
> >
> > Yes, doing on-site training is a workaround. So is doing seminars with
> > demo's on your laptop. But if you have valid licenses and want to teach
> > various people in your garage, I don't think they can do anything about it.
> >
> > Do I sound like a guy who's spent some time on this topic? Yep. :-).
> >
> > You're most welcome to call me (consider the time - I'm on Central
> > European Time) on +45 2527 7100 if you have any questions.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mogens
> >
> > Maria Aurora VT de la Vega wrote:
> >
> > >A couple of friends and I are thinking of putting up a small training
> > >company here in the Phils.
> > >(When we say small...its really small with almost 0
> > >capitalization...just sheer guts and technical knowhow)
> > >We have looked at OTN and checked the licensing terms for the use of the
> > >software for training.
> > >We have stumbled on this provision:
> > > You may not:
> > > ·use the programs to provide third party training;
> > >I was wondering if any of you know if there is a different licensing for
> > >training institutions?
> > >How does a non-oracle partner acquire license to use Oracle DB software
> > >for training?
> > >I am looking at partnering with Oracle, but we are just starting and
> > >partnering costs $$.
> > >I dare not call Oracle Philippines just yet...If there is a need to
> > >purchase, and if we have the money, only then will we contact them.
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > >=)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> Maria Aurora VT de la Vega
> Oracle DBA
> Philippine Stock Exchange, Inc.
>
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> The habit of persistence is the habit of victory."
>
>
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