Re: Orawomen

MessageKeep in mind that our public school education system exists for the purpose of training (with some education) brainless jocks. They are trained to bounce a ball up and down or run around on a field of grass. This exists so that colleges, TV networks, professional sports teams and brainless jocks can make a lot of $$$. Just follow the money - it will usually give the correct answer.

My $0.02 worth,

Ken Janusz, CPIM

• Original Message ----- From: Spears, Brian To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Orawomen

  The public education is so pathetic... I took the mannual produced by US scientists I guess commissioned by the Senate   (or something like that) and used it to teach my daughter to read grade 3 level a 4 years old in 4 months spending only   20 minutes a day with here.. very easy to do. Will the schools use this manual? My daughter in grade 2 or 3 rated better   than 97% of her peers in the US at that age level. My brother did the same with his daughter and gave her some computer game to teach reading.. and she is even better off.. I mentored kids who had trouble in math and physics for 10 years...   and the same problem every time...smart kids with mental blocks developed by the school system. I can't talk about it..   its so pathetic.
  Brian

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jeremy Pulcifer [mailto:Jeremy.Pulcifer_at_kadiri.com]     Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:49 PM     To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L     Subject: RE: Orawomen

    I don't like feeding an OT too much, but...

    People wonder why I am completely self-taught. I wonder where they were taught, because the time I spent in primary and secondary school was a complete and utter waste of time. It wasn't until I took a few classes of "higher" education at a decent school that it even occured to me that it is possible to learn something from a lecture or classroom setting.

    Ugh. Sure glad my daughter's school system seems to be better than average. If I were forced to live in the school system I grew up in (Britton-Macon, Michigan), I'd home-school her.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Kevin Lange [mailto:kgel_at_ppoone.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:44 AM
      To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
      Subject: RE: Orawomen


      April, I could tell back when I was in 8th grade that the Teaching System in Texas was a joke.   I moved from Missouri to Texas that year and went from a math class where we were doing geometry, trig, and algebra to a math class where they were teaching the Metric System.  This was back in 1975.

       -----Original Message-----
      From: April Wells [mailto:awells_at_csedge.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:35 PM
      To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
      Subject: RE: Orawomen


        Be glad that you aren't in Texas.  I DESPISE the testing system here.  I realize that to a great extent it is needed (there are high school JRs who can't divide 6 by 3 and get an accurate answer) but they TEACH to the TEKS (or whatever the stupid name is this year).  My 8 year old came home in tears because she was going to flunk 3rd grade (she came home in OCTOBER telling me this) because she went from getting an A in math to getting a B when they started division.  The logic in stressing her out like this?  "We have never taken this test before, and we want to maintain our perfect school rating"... if our kids aren't perfect then we aren't perfect and we will loose our status in the community.  She got a B... and it wasn't even on her report card as a B... just on a test... she's 8.  I would hate math and school too if all that mattered to anyone was "the" test and the stellar reputation of the school.

        Sorry... sore subject.  

        LOVED logic!  If A then B, If B then C, A therefore C... all dogs are animals with fur, but not all animals with fur are dogs! 

        April Wells 
        Oracle DBA 
        Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds -- Albert Einstein 

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca]
          Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:55 AM
          To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
          Subject: RE: Orawomen


          I don't know about you, but the first time I took a logic course it was in university...  It seems to me it would be fun for high school students to take newspaper or magazine articles (Teen magazine comes to mind) and pull them apart to show that statement B doesn't necessarily follow from the previous paragraph, etc.  In our logic class we had a lot of fun examining statements made by "pundits" in the media.

          But ooops!  Logic falls under philosophy, that's not teachable in the public system, seen as irrelevant.

          Logic is done by unconscious habit by most people it seems to me, rarely consciously applied.  So generalized statements abound, misperceptions spread...

          My 6 year old son has asked me at least three times now if it's OK for boys to play with Barbies... he doesn't have one but am thinking of purchasing him one for his birthday, just to see where he will go with that.  My wife hates Barbies with a passion.  But I think she hates Universal Soldiers more.

          ; )


          Regards,
          Patrice Boivin 
          Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) 

            -----Original Message-----
            From: April Wells [mailto:awells_at_csedge.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:39 PM
            To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
            Subject: RE: Orawomen


            I will agree to some extent.  But I have TRIED to get my daughter on the computers, into math and science, interested in anything technology... she tells me that Computers are geeky (she's 8).  She is my militant little feminist and into sports and precision jump rope... I try to explain that I work with computers.  The geeky logic doesn't always stick.

            April Wells 
            Oracle DBA 
            Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds -- Albert Einstein 

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