Rachel,
I agree with you for the most part and I'm sure so will many others. There are many people, however, who advocate people skills, personality; attractiveness comes to mind, in the sense of do you like that person, in other words, do you feel positevely when working together. They say that even if a person lacks skills, she can be taught; as long as she is a nice person, they're fine with it.
Regards,
Viktor
Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_YAHOO.COM> wrote:> very technical, very detailed, and very dedicated. The fact that
> they were both attractive didn't hurt either. One majored in math
I'm about to start a flame war here, I just know it.
WHY does it matter to mention the attractiveness of the female DBAs?
When I talk about someone I work with, I don't comment on how
attractive he or she is. I talk about whether or not the person can do
the work and I can learn from him or her.
It's the subtle things that promote the attitude.
- "Smith, Ron L." wrote:
> I have had the pleasure of working with 2 female DBA's at my company.
> I
> have to say they were both the best DBA's the company has had. Both
> were
> very technical, very detailed, and very dedicated. The fact that
> they were
> both attractive didn't hurt either. One majored in mathamatics and
> had a 4
> point average. But I would not concider her a geek at all. They are
> both
> always willing to go the extra mile when needed and work what ever
> hours are
> required. I probebly wouldn't be here if it weren't for them. It
> would be
> too boring.
>
> R. Smith
>
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>
> Cherie, Rachel - Thanks for sharing your viewpoint.
>
> Brian - I think you are correct that kids today get very little
> encouragement to study hard subjects like sciences. I find this
> ironic given
> the fact that we have an incredibly technological society. I think
> this is a
> cumulative product of our society. Parents don't always encourage
> their
> children, teachers feel they are talking to an unreceptive audience
> (and
> usually don't have much exposure to technical careers themselves),
> and our
> popular culture ridicules the idea of maturity in general.
> But this is more of a concern for girls as they are making
> decisions
> about their future. The reason is role models. Often just one
> prominent
> member of a profession will encourage many young people to consider
> that
> field.
> Now when a young woman in the computer field is considering
> becoming an
> Oracle DBA, a quick scan of the bookshelves turns up Rachel's name.
> So hear
> that Rachel -- you're a role model, so you must write more books!
>
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>
> Just asking .. I'm told that the number of "Americans" (by which I
> mean kids
> born in the States) entering technical fields of all types is
> declining.
> Could the decline of the number of women in IT entering IT be a part
> of that
> trend?
>
> For that matter, I wasn't really called on much in school (and glad
> for it,
> I wasn't usually paying attention), nor did my teachers encourage me
> that I
> can recall for anything in particular. Yet, here I am, earning a
> living
> doing computer stuff.
>
> If 'girls' (or boys, see para 1) aren't encouraged in technical
> matters,
> perhaps it's a problem beyond the scope of an overworked and
> underpaid
> teachers? Please note, I speak as a father of six and the husband of
> an
> (former) educator.
>
> ~brian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> I think that within the population of women in IT, the number of
> female
> Oracle DBAs is increasing. However, in general, the number of women
> entering
> IT is decreasing. That is, the number of women who are encouraged to
> become
> DBAs or developers or network admins or sys admins is decreasing.
>
> I've noticed (I have a friend with a 13 year old son and a 16 year
> old
> daughter) that the schools are not encouraging girls to go into
> science or
> math. There have been studies done that show that teachers in those
> fields
> tend to call on the girls in the class less and spend less time
> helping them
> understand the subjects.
>
> My opinion only
>
> Rachel
>
> --- DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
> > Recently this list had a discussion of female Oracle DBAs. The
> > consensus was that the numbers were increasing, which I view as a
> good
> > thing. Here is an
> > article with industry statistics saying that the number of women in
> > IT is
> > decreasing.
> > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501
> > Any theories?
> >
> > Dennis Williams
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