Re: Orawomen

Don't get me wrong. I never said anything about it being harder than any other way of making a living. They, being kids, just see the early AM calls or calls on holidays and so on and say "no way." My own father-in-law who worked for IBM for 25+ years couldn't understand why I would get a call on a Sunday when having dinner at his house ("Can't it wait until Monday??").

Kip

|Agreed.

|Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
|ineyman_at_perceptron.com

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|> I'm curious. Does everyone here think the IT profession is hard? Does
|> everyone think that being a DBA is harder than say, a teacher, or a sales
|> clerk, or something else?
|>
|> I don't understand the attitude. Or maybe I'm just lucky. The IT field
|is
|> wide-open for everyobe to find a niche where they are comfortable.
|>
|> And it is certainly a better field than nursing (hours, pay and exposure
|to
|> multyitude of diseases suck!), teaching (while working with most kids
|would
|> be fun, the pay is tough and the hard-luck kids are tougher), retail
|(wanna
|> work in Home-Depot?).
|>
|> While some damagement is tough to work with, I think the field is
|> interested, challenging and always interesting. And the pay is better
|than
|> most.
|>
|> Tom Mercadante
|> Oracle Certified Professional
|>
|>
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|> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:27 PM
|> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|>
|>
|> I can relate to this. I have two sons and both have told me that based on
|> what
|> my work life seems like they would never pursue an IT career. Things
|could
|> change over time, of course, as the reality of making a living sets in.
|My
|> undergraduate and graduate degrees have absolutely nothing to do with
|> computers or anything remotely technical and yet here I am with decades of
|> "computer work" experience.
|>
|> And, by the way, even as a male I was never encouraged in High School to
|> pursue
|> a profession. So far as I can tell they didn't see much potential in me.
|> It
|> irks my English teacher wife no end that I earn almost twice what she
|> does...and she was the one with exceptional grades and lots of
|> encouragement.
|> Not bragging. I think she's worth a lot more than what she's paid.
|>
|> Kip
|>
|> |Just asking .. I'm told that the number of "Americans" (by which I mean
|> kids
|> |born in the States) entering technical fields of all types is declining.
|> |Could the decline of the number of women in IT entering IT be a part of
|> that
|> |trend?
|>
|> |For that matter, I wasn't really called on much in school (and glad for
|it,
|> |I wasn't usually paying attention), nor did my teachers encourage me that
|I
|> |can recall for anything in particular. Yet, here I am, earning a living
|> |doing computer stuff.
|>
|> |If 'girls' (or boys, see para 1) aren't encouraged in technical matters,
|> |perhaps it's a problem beyond the scope of an overworked and underpaid
|> |teachers? Please note, I speak as a father of six and the husband of an
|> |(former) educator.
|>
|> |~brian
|>
|>
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|> |Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:39 AM
|> |To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|>
|>
|> |I think that within the population of women in IT, the number of female
|> |Oracle DBAs is increasing. However, in general, the number of women
|> |entering IT is decreasing. That is, the number of women who are
|> |encouraged to become DBAs or developers or network admins or sys admins
|> |is decreasing.
|>
|> |I've noticed (I have a friend with a 13 year old son and a 16 year old
|> |daughter) that the schools are not encouraging girls to go into science
|> |or math. There have been studies done that show that teachers in those
|> |fields tend to call on the girls in the class less and spend less time
|> |helping them understand the subjects.
|>
|> |My opinion only
|>
|> |Rachel
|>
|> |--- DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> wrote:
|> |> Recently this list had a discussion of female Oracle DBAs. The
|> |> consensus was
|> |> that the numbers were increasing, which I view as a good thing. Here
|> |> is an
|> |> article with industry statistics saying that the number of women in
|> |> IT is
|> |> decreasing.
|> |> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501
|> |> Any theories?
|> |>
|> |> Dennis Williams
|> |> DBA, 40%OCP
|> |> Lifetouch, Inc.
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