Oracle-L: RE: Orawomen

From: Boivin, Patrice J <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:55:04 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0052A4B9.20030108095504@fatcity.com>

I don't know about you, but the first time I took a logic course it was in university... It seems to me it would be fun for high school students to take newspaper or magazine articles (Teen magazine comes to mind) and pull them apart to show that statement B doesn't necessarily follow from the previous paragraph, etc. In our logic class we had a lot of fun examining statements made by "pundits" in the media.

But ooops! Logic falls under philosophy, that's not teachable in the public system, seen as irrelevant.

Logic is done by unconscious habit by most people it seems to me, rarely consciously applied. So generalized statements abound, misperceptions spread...

My 6 year old son has asked me at least three times now if it's OK for boys to play with Barbies... he doesn't have one but am thinking of purchasing him one for his birthday, just to see where he will go with that. My wife hates Barbies with a passion. But I think she hates Universal Soldiers more.

; )

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I will agree to some extent. But I have TRIED to get my daughter on the computers, into math and science, interested in anything technology... she tells me that Computers are geeky (she's 8). She is my militant little feminist and into sports and precision jump rope... I try to explain that I work with computers. The geeky logic doesn't always stick.

April Wells
Oracle DBA
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds
-- Albert Einstein

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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I have encouraged and pushed science on my daughter and son. My daughter started college this year and wants to go into the biological sciences. I periodically have been a guest teacher at our local schools to teach some physics and am amazed at the lack of interest in general by the females. And knowing many of the families of these girls I would attribute this to the parents.

My $.02

Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Well, it's been a while since I was in college (1999) but I always felt singled out in a class. Some teachers, that were as old as the hills, truly felt that women should not be in science and did not hesitate to say so. Other teachers could not keep their eyes off my legs - I had to leave work and go directly to school for years. Never mind complaining, the department didn't care. There was only one woman professor, but she taught advanced AI. I never got to take any of her classes. I never saw a female physics or math professor at the university.

I had one (male) algebra teacher tell me that "maybe you just shouldn't study math." However it was a female teacher at a community college that finally got me through 3 quarters calculus. To this day I credit her with making me feel that I was capable of understanding higher math and pushing me and the whole class to do so.

I didn't finish my bachelor's, I didn't need to and I didn't need the stress. But I can see how the declining IT market (no 22-year-old CIOs anymore) paired with this kind of treatment in school would push a detail-oriented young woman to study something else.

Personally I wish I would have become a nurse.

Just my 2 cents, for whatever it's worth.

Lisa Koivu
Oracle No-degree Administrator
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063

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<mailto:DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> ]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Recently this list had a discussion of female Oracle DBAs. The consensus was

that the numbers were increasing, which I view as a good thing. Here is an article with industry statistics saying that the number of women in IT is decreasing. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501 <http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501> Any theories?

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
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