RE: Orawomen

Maybe so, Dave, but I have seen physics demonstrations that had entire auditoriums of kids (yes, high school and junior high kids, both girls and boys) in awe. They did the regular
holding-the-fire-extinguisher-while-sitting-on-a-skateboard demonstration along with others to get the kids' attention. The audience was applauding. I was also amazed at some of the other demos we saw in class, the equations literally came alive. That's why I thought physics was so cool - if you didn't believe it, then just try it and prove it to yourself. (Same with anatomy). I'm not saying you aren't a good teacher, but there is a serious lack of teachers who care AND can hold an antsy kid's attention. Physics is just one of those topics that can be - well, is - physical.  

Try demonstrating an integral without an application. BORING.  

Again just my 2 cents.  

MM

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I have encouraged and pushed science on my daughter and son. My daughter started college this year and wants to go into the biological sciences. I periodically have been a guest teacher at our local schools to teach some physics and am amazed at the lack of interest in general by the females. And knowing many of the families of these girls I would attribute this to the parents.  

My $.02  

Dave

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Well, it's been a while since I was in college (1999) but I always felt singled out in a class. Some teachers, that were as old as the hills, truly felt that women should not be in science and did not hesitate to say so. Other teachers could not keep their eyes off my legs - I had to leave work and go directly to school for years. Never mind complaining, the department didn't care. There was only one woman professor, but she taught advanced AI. I never got to take any of her classes. I never saw a female physics or math professor at the university.

I had one (male) algebra teacher tell me that "maybe you just shouldn't study math." However it was a female teacher at a community college that finally got me through 3 quarters calculus. To this day I credit her with making me feel that I was capable of understanding higher math and pushing me and the whole class to do so.

I didn't finish my bachelor's, I didn't need to and I didn't need the stress. But I can see how the declining IT market (no 22-year-old CIOs anymore) paired with this kind of treatment in school would push a detail-oriented young woman to study something else.

Personally I wish I would have become a nurse.

Just my 2 cents, for whatever it's worth.

Lisa Koivu
Oracle No-degree Administrator
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063

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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Recently this list had a discussion of female Oracle DBAs. The consensus was

that the numbers were increasing, which I view as a good thing. Here is an article with industry statistics saying that the number of women in IT is decreasing. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501
<http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501>
Any theories?

Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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