Black Adder is an excellent method to get me to shut up and leave!
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Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:29 PM
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I'm flattered you put me in the same category as Kirti, Dan, Jared,
Connor and Jonathan.
If I recall the cost of my (one) trip to Australia, it would be cheaper
to import you to IOUG than it would be to get us there! I'm not sure
about Jared and Connor, the rest of us will be at IOUG. And for the
price of a drink of Black Adder Scotch I'm sure you could get Dan to
expound on Oracle and backup and recovery and blockcentric tuning all
night long. Okay, make that a bottle of BlackAdder and make sure he
isn't presenting first thing the next morning :)
- Mark Richard <mrichard_at_transurban.com.au> wrote:
> All,
>
> Point well taken (both Rachel's and Jared's). I should have said
> (and was
> even thinking - although the brain and hands sometimes act
> independently)
> "might not be worth indexing". It sounds like a helpdesk system for
> a
> pretty small customer base so I was assuming that system load isn't
> likely
> to be a problem. My experience has always been that if the fact is
> 1000
> rows and the reference are maybe 3 - 10 then Oracle is going to eat
> it up
> for lunch no matter how it's structured unless a large number of
> concurrent
> user come along.
>
> Now on a more serious note, when is the week-long Rachel Carmichael,
> Dan
> Fink, Jonathan Lewis, Connor, Jared, Kirti, et al "How to well and
> truly
> beat Oracle into Submission" seminar coming down under to Australia?
> I
> need to know so that I can start selling my soul to raise enough
> money to
> attend... With our dollar the way it is a seminar like that would
> cost
> about the same as my house.
>
>
>
>
>
> Rachel
>
> Carmichael To: Multiple recipients
> of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> <wisernet100_at_y cc:
>
> ahoo.com> Subject: Re: Are too
> many Foreign Keys in one table bad?
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> root_at_fatcity.c
>
> om
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> 07/01/2003
>
> 12:33
>
> Please respond
>
> to ORACLE-L
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark,
>
> Based on the presentation and testing Dan Fink did for the last NYOUG
> meeting, it's possible that the ref tables SHOULD be indexed, and
> that
> it will help performance to index them.
>
> Rachel
>
> --- Mark Richard <mrichard_at_transurban.com.au> wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > I don't think Oracle will have a real problem with 15 tables or
> 1,000
> > rows.
> > If the ref tables are quite small then they won't even be worth
> > indexing -
> > Oracle will just read the entire table at one anyway. You might
> want
> > to
> > tell Oracle to CACHE the reference tables, although I don't think
> > you'll
> > see a performance gain really. Unfortunately I can't give any
> > performance
> > suggestions because I am used to the other end of the scale (ie:
> 250
> > million rows in data)
> >
> > You probably could store CODE in the main table, but if you are
> going
> > to
> > need the description frequently then all benefit is lost anyway.
> > Either
> > way though I'm sure that you'll have more problems getting the 15
> > joins
> > right when writing the queries than Oracle's CBO will have when
> > looking at
> > the query - I've seen some real nasty queries get pushed into
> > Oracle's
> > optimisor and as long at the statistics are valid then it does a
> > pretty
> > good job.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mark.
> >
> > PS: Why would the reference CODE change instead of the
> DESCRIPTION?
> > I'm
> > guessing the code will be meaningful such as "HIGH", "CRITICAL",
> etc
> > and
> > description might be "Must fix within 1 hr". Even still, I think
> you
> > are
> > right when you said that CODE isn't likely to change often, if at
> > all.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory Norris
> >
> > <GNorris2_at_work To: Multiple
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> > of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > brain.com> cc:
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> > Sent by: Subject: Are too many
> > Foreign Keys in one table bad?
> > root_at_fatcity.c
> >
> > om
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 07/01/2003
> >
> > 07:03
> >
> > Please respond
> >
> > to ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am designing some tables to store Customer Support Data.
> > The main table (SUPPORT_DATA) contains many (up to 15) foreign key
> > links to
> > other tables.
> > Most of the other tables are small lookup REFTABLES (eg Priority
> > Type).
> > A few bigger tables store up to 1000 records eg CUSTOMER_DATA.
> >
> > I am concerned that to get data for one Support record will involve
> a
> > join
> > of 15 Tables and possibly more for reports, and that this many
> tables
> > may
> > confuse the Cost Based Optimiser.
> >
> > I am considering storing the CODE in the SUPPORT_DATA table instead
> > of the
> > ID for the reference tables. This will reduce the number of joins
> > greatly.
> >
> > _____________________________________
> > Design Proposed
> >
> > SUPPORT_DATA
> > Id (PK)
> > <reftable>_code (FK)
> > support_data_desc
> > ....
> >
> > <REFTABLE>
> > <reftable>_id (PK)
> > <reftable>_code (Unique Constraint)
> > <reftable>_description
> > _____________________________________
> >
> > The Main problems I see with this are that DATA storage increases
> (I
>
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