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Re: Solaris vs Windows 2000

From: Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:38:26 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.00502EC3.20021113203826@fatcity.com>


On Wednesday 13 November 2002 06:28, Grabowy, Chris wrote:
> Hmmmm...that's an interesting stance.
>
> You won't trust Linux, but you'll trust Perl?

Perl doesn't run my SAP production.

>
> So why not rewrite Linux in Perl? :)
>
> So you trust SAP on buggy/swiss cheese W2K?

Yes, W2K seems to work pretty well for me.

Jared

>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:39 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> Lyndon,
>
> I like linux. I've been using it for 10 years now.
>
> It still isn't ready to run my production SAP systems though.
>
> I don't mean that it's not capable of doing so, it's very capable.
>
> There is not the history of support and stability that is needed to
> trust my enterprise data to it. My Oracle dev server? No
> problem, I love it.
>
> Will I put my butt on the line for bleeding edge technology?
>
> No way. SAP runs our business, pure and simple. If it's down, we are
> not selling product, we are not producing product.
>
> I'm not ready to trust linux that far yet.
>
> Jared
>
> On Monday 11 November 2002 19:34, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
> > Seriously now.
> >
> > I know you are trying to evaluate Solaris and Windows, but ...
> >
> > Linux is the way to go. Sun's are expensive machines.
> >
> > NT/2K are cheap(er) but locks you into an expensive software upgrade
> > cycle.
> >
> > Linux costs very little and runs on cheap hardware.
> >
> > --
> > Lyndon Tiu
> >
> > On Monday 11 November 2002 06:58 pm, Stephen Lee wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Now that that's out of the way, what I am trying to do is find
> > > objective material comparing the use of MS Windows 2000 Server on
> > > Intel HW to Solaris on Sun HW.
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > My personal bias against Windows is based mostly on three things.
> > >
> > > 1. Incompatibility with everything else. Microsoft makes its
> > > products as incompatible as it can get away with so that once you
> > > start going down the Microsoft path, you become more and more locked
> > >
> > > into that path.
> > >
> > > 2. It is a single-user operating system. Microsoft has done a
> > > pretty good job of making it look otherwise by tacking on some
> > > multi-user extensions; but it is, in fact, NOT a multi-user OS.
> > > Just try creating a general user so that user can install, upgrade,
> > > and maintain their application without having administrator
> > > privilege. It ain't gonna happen. And that brings up the main
> > > problem with this arrangement: Every user that must support an
> > > application on the box must have administrator privilege. This, of
> > > course, presents a completely insecure environment.
> > >
> > > 3. In its "normal" form, there is an amazing lack of the kind of
> > > support and scripting utilities the are normal on Unix. True, if
> > > one wants to spend the time, many of the utilities can be set up on
> > > NT; but that involves additional setup and maintenance time -- which
> > >
> > > your NT admins might not be inclined to do if the bureaucracy of
> > > your organization requires that they do it. If your scripting
> > > abilities are substantial, then you, no doubt, automate many things
> > > with scripts. If you have built these scripts with a non-standard
> > > environment, then you have built your house on shifting sand. (By
> > > the way, this is why I do not fully support
> > > Linux.)
> > >
> > > I must agree that I do like the Dell Poweredge stuff. I was using
> > > it years ago, and the value is certainly compelling. It's too bad
> > > that Sun did the same thing with Solaris on Intel that IBM did to
> > > OS/2 (got very stuck up about it and over-priced the crap out of
> > > everything until it was too late). But the Sun hardware (and IBM
> > > too) ain't all that shabby either. And my past experience -- when I
> > >
> > > was a sys admin work -- with Sun customer support was very positive.
> > >
> > > IBM .... eh, so-so ... maybe.
> > >
> > > Perhaps another thing to consider: If you have ever tried to upgrade
> > >
> > > the OS on a NT box supporting third-party applications, I suspect
> > > you discovered that it can be an excrutiatingly painful experience
> > > ... If you even succeeded at all.

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