That's where IBM's 1billion comes in.
--
Lyndon Tiu
Quoting DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>:
> That is the problem with free stuff. There isn't a big expensive hype
> machine around to push it.
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 40%OCP
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:49 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> You're right .. but when will it become ready? MS always said their NT3.5
> is
>
> enterprise eady, they said NT4.0 is enterprise ready, W2K is enterprise
> ready, .Net is enterprise ready. It's all in the marketing. If enough
> people
>
> like me say Linux is ready, then it becomes ready. Readiness is relative.
>
> I'd say it's ready enough.
>
> Maybe not SAP specifically.
>
> But if you havn't heard, Oracle software runs on Linux fine with a lot of
> support available for it already today - Dell, RedHat, Oracle & IBM all
> support Linux.
>
> --
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> On Wednesday 13 November 2002 05:39 am, Jared Still wrote:
> > Lyndon,
> >
> > I like linux. I've been using it for 10 years now.
> >
> > It still isn't ready to run my production SAP systems though.
> >
> > I don't mean that it's not capable of doing so, it's very capable.
> >
> > There is not the history of support and stability that is needed
> > to trust my enterprise data to it. My Oracle dev server? No
> > problem, I love it.
> >
> > Will I put my butt on the line for bleeding edge technology?
> >
> > No way. SAP runs our business, pure and simple. If it's down,
> > we are not selling product, we are not producing product.
> >
> > I'm not ready to trust linux that far yet.
> >
> > Jared
> >
> > On Monday 11 November 2002 19:34, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
> > > Seriously now.
> > >
> > > I know you are trying to evaluate Solaris and Windows, but ...
> > >
> > > Linux is the way to go. Sun's are expensive machines.
> > >
> > > NT/2K are cheap(er) but locks you into an expensive software upgrade
> > > cycle.
> > >
> > > Linux costs very little and runs on cheap hardware.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lyndon Tiu
> > >
> > > On Monday 11 November 2002 06:58 pm, Stephen Lee wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Now that that's out of the way, what I am trying to do is find
> > > > objective material comparing the use of MS Windows 2000
> > > > Server on Intel HW to Solaris on Sun HW.
> > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > My personal bias against Windows is based mostly on three things.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Incompatibility with everything else. Microsoft makes its
> products
> > > > as incompatible as it can get away with so that once you start going
> > > > down the Microsoft path, you become more and more locked into that
> > > > path.
> > > >
> > > > 2. It is a single-user operating system. Microsoft has done a
> pretty
> > > > good job of making it look otherwise by tacking on some multi-user
> > > > extensions; but it is, in fact, NOT a multi-user OS. Just try
> creating
> > > > a general user so that user can install, upgrade, and maintain their
> > > > application without having administrator privilege. It ain't gonna
> > > > happen. And that brings up the main problem with this arrangement:
> > > > Every user that must support an application on the box must have
> > > > administrator privilege. This, of course, presents a completely
> > > > insecure environment.
> > > >
> > > > 3. In its "normal" form, there is an amazing lack of the kind of
> > > > support and scripting utilities the are normal on Unix. True, if one
> > > > wants to spend the time, many of the utilities can be set up on NT;
> but
> > > > that involves additional setup and maintenance time -- which your NT
> > > > admins might not be inclined to do if the bureaucracy of your
> > > > organization requires that they do it. If your scripting abilities
> are
> > > > substantial, then you, no doubt, automate many things with scripts.
> If
> > > > you have built these scripts with a non-standard environment, then
> you
> > > > have built your house on shifting sand. (By the way, this is why I do
> > > > not fully support Linux.)
> > > >
> > > > I must agree that I do like the Dell Poweredge stuff. I was using it
> > > > years ago, and the value is certainly compelling. It's too bad that
> > > > Sun did the same thing with Solaris on Intel that IBM did to OS/2
> (got
> > > > very stuck up about it and over-priced the crap out of everything
> until
> > > > it was too late). But the Sun hardware (and IBM too) ain't all that
> > > > shabby either. And my past experience -- when I was a sys admin work
> > > > -- with Sun customer support was very positive. IBM .... eh, so-so
> ...
> > > > maybe.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps another thing to consider: If you have ever tried to upgrade
> > > > the OS on a NT box supporting third-party applications, I suspect you
> > > > discovered that it can be an excrutiatingly painful experience ... If
> > > > you even succeeded at all.
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