RE: Solaris vs Windows 2000

Hmmmm...that's an interesting stance.

You won't trust Linux, but you'll trust Perl?

So why not rewrite Linux in Perl? :)

So you trust SAP on buggy/swiss cheese W2K?

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Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Lyndon,

I like linux. I've been using it for 10 years now.

It still isn't ready to run my production SAP systems though.

I don't mean that it's not capable of doing so, it's very capable.

There is not the history of support and stability that is needed to trust my enterprise data to it. My Oracle dev server? No problem, I love it.

Will I put my butt on the line for bleeding edge technology?

No way. SAP runs our business, pure and simple. If it's down, we are not selling product, we are not producing product.

I'm not ready to trust linux that far yet.

Jared

On Monday 11 November 2002 19:34, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
> Seriously now.
>
> I know you are trying to evaluate Solaris and Windows, but ...
>
> Linux is the way to go. Sun's are expensive machines.
>
> NT/2K are cheap(er) but locks you into an expensive software upgrade
> cycle.
>
> Linux costs very little and runs on cheap hardware.
>
> --
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> On Monday 11 November 2002 06:58 pm, Stephen Lee wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Now that that's out of the way, what I am trying to do is find
> > objective material comparing the use of MS Windows 2000 Server on
> > Intel HW to Solaris on Sun HW.
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > My personal bias against Windows is based mostly on three things.
> >
> > 1. Incompatibility with everything else. Microsoft makes its
> > products as incompatible as it can get away with so that once you
> > start going down the Microsoft path, you become more and more locked

> > into that path.
> >
> > 2. It is a single-user operating system. Microsoft has done a
> > pretty good job of making it look otherwise by tacking on some
> > multi-user extensions; but it is, in fact, NOT a multi-user OS.
> > Just try creating a general user so that user can install, upgrade,
> > and maintain their application without having administrator
> > privilege. It ain't gonna happen. And that brings up the main
> > problem with this arrangement: Every user that must support an
> > application on the box must have administrator privilege. This, of
> > course, presents a completely insecure environment.
> >
> > 3. In its "normal" form, there is an amazing lack of the kind of
> > support and scripting utilities the are normal on Unix. True, if
> > one wants to spend the time, many of the utilities can be set up on
> > NT; but that involves additional setup and maintenance time -- which

> > your NT admins might not be inclined to do if the bureaucracy of
> > your organization requires that they do it. If your scripting
> > abilities are substantial, then you, no doubt, automate many things
> > with scripts. If you have built these scripts with a non-standard
> > environment, then you have built your house on shifting sand. (By
> > the way, this is why I do not fully support
> > Linux.)
> >
> > I must agree that I do like the Dell Poweredge stuff. I was using
> > it years ago, and the value is certainly compelling. It's too bad
> > that Sun did the same thing with Solaris on Intel that IBM did to
> > OS/2 (got very stuck up about it and over-priced the crap out of
> > everything until it was too late). But the Sun hardware (and IBM
> > too) ain't all that shabby either. And my past experience -- when I

> > was a sys admin work -- with Sun customer support was very positive.

> > IBM .... eh, so-so ... maybe.
> >
> > Perhaps another thing to consider: If you have ever tried to upgrade

> > the OS on a NT box supporting third-party applications, I suspect
> > you discovered that it can be an excrutiatingly painful experience
> > ... If you even succeeded at all.

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