Re: Oracle Internals course

Jeroen,

Scott is the instructor -- he didn't develop the curriculum. Let me check -- I don't want to publish the someone's name to this list and have it be a big surprise or an inconvenience... :-)

More soon...

-Tim

• Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:43 AM

> Tim,
>
> Do you mean this Scott Gosset is working here in the Netherlands or
> used to be? Any idea about these courses in the Netherlands?
> I can always call Oracle support here but I doubt if they know
> about it.
>
> Tia,
>
> Jeroen
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim_at_SageLogix.com]
> Verzonden: dinsdag 29 oktober 2002 14:09
> Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Onderwerp: Re: Oracle Internals course
>
>
> Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and
> Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some
> minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping
> of US citizens.
>
> I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like
> the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle
> Netherlands, it is quite probable. I'm guessing that if the request was
> made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already
> hidden somewhere on the website?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM
>
>
> Are these Internals classes only available in the US?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Carmichael
> Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> Tom,
>
> I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!
>
> I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured
> I'd share my luck.
>
> I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
> teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
> made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!
>
> Rachel
>
> --- Tom Pall <tpall_at_realtime.net> wrote:
> > Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
> > the
> > details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals
> > course by
> > searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
> > just
> > managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I
> > mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
> > registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
> > publicizing the course.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
> >
> >
> > > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
> > >
> > > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
> > find,
> > > but it IS there
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Tom Pall <tpall_at_realtime.net> wrote:
> > > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
> > versions
> > > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
> > > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of
> > non-disclosure
> > > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
> > > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses?
> > Surely
> > > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with
> > a
> > > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
> > the
> > > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
> > > >
> > > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
> > version
> > > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no
> > > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
> > > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
> > lost
> > > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
> > because
> > > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
> > huh?
> > > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
> > had
> > > > that came on a single diskette.
> > > >
> > > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to
> > > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people
> > registered
> > > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
> > > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
> > > > course..
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Nick Wagner
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be
> > offered/modified
> > > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it?
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
> > back
> > > > extremely pleased with it.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott is the "instructors's instructor"
> > > >
> > > > he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
> > instructors so
> > > >
> > > > they can teach them to you
> > > >
> > > > I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
> > years
> > > > ago
> > > > as well. He's a great teacher.
> > > >
> > > > If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
> > HIM
> > > >
> > > > --- Tom Pall <tpall_at_realtime.net> wrote:
> > > > > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup,
> > Scott
> > > > flies
> > > > > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
> > extra
> > > > > material to
> > > > > spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how
> > the
> > > >
> > > > > developers
> > > > > documented something then tell how it's actually built. He
> > keeps
> > > > a
> > > > > database
> > > > > running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one
> > great
> > > >
> > > > > teacher.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just wanted to say...
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with
> > > > Scott
> > > > > Gossett
> > > > > at Oracle, I highly recommend it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish I knew half of what he knows!
> > > > >
> > > > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it
> > should be
> > > >
> > > > > given a
> > > > > higher profile though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Patrice Boivin
> > > > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > > > >
> > > > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
> > > > > Technology Services | Services technologiques
> > > > > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
> > > > > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
> > > > >
> > > > > E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
> > > > >
> > > > >
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