No. Scott said he's been to a number of Pacific Ocean countries to teach
the course. I suspect those courses where hosted by a company which had
offered enough internal enrollment. As I recall, there's another instructor
who also teaches the Internals, Crashes/Dump/Traces and Backup/Recovery
seminars. Be careful of all Oracle courses. Some of them are subcontracted
out. I don't warn you to put down consultants. But this thread has been
about Scott and his internals course. Scott's the star.
If you really want to make sure Scott's going to teach your course, phone
him up or drop him an email. Don't expect him to respond the same day you
try to contact him. When he's teaching, he's tied up through lunch and
dinner and sometimes even on the ride to the airport. Many people go to the
course with specific questions they want answered. Scott often handles
those during out of class hours.
----- Original Message -----
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:58 AM
Are these Internals classes only available in the US?
-----Original Message-----
Carmichael
Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Tom,
I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!
I was lucky enough to have someone point me to "seminars" and figured
I'd share my luck.
I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!
Rachel
- Tom Pall <tpall_at_realtime.net> wrote:
> Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
> the
> details. Really I'm not. I registered online for the internals
> course by
> searching for it. I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
> just
> managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it. I
> mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
> registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
> publicizing the course.
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
>
>
> > I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
> >
> > you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
> find,
> > but it IS there
> >
> >
> > --- Tom Pall <tpall_at_realtime.net> wrote:
> > > RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
> versions
> > > now. As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
> > > course. Course participants would sign all sorts of
> non-disclosure
> > > forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
> > > Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses?
> Surely
> > > not all the Silver Support people I've called. A difficulty with
> a
> > > two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
> the
> > > course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
> > >
> > > The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
> version
> > > of Oracle comes out. Why teach internals when there are no
> > > initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
> > > itself? There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
> lost
> > > their jobs. But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
> because
> > > a later version doesn't require a DBA? Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
> huh?
> > > I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
> had
> > > that came on a single diskette.
> > >
> > > Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden. You have to
> > > call Oracle directly and ask for it. A number of people
> registered
> > > for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
> > > complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
> > > course..
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Nick Wagner
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
> > >
> > >
> > > rumor has it that this course is not going to be
> offered/modified
> > > for the 9.2 release of Oracle. Can anyone confirm or deny it?
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
> back
> > > extremely pleased with it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott is the "instructors's instructor"
> > >
> > > he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
> instructors so
> > >
> > > they can teach them to you
> > >
> > > I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
> years
> > > ago
> > > as well. He's a great teacher.
> > >
> > > If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
> HIM
> > >
> > > --- Tom Pall <tpall_at_realtime.net> wrote:
> > > > I took that very course with Scott a few years ago. Yup,
> Scott
> > > flies
> > > > through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
> extra
> > > > material to
> > > > spare. It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how
> the
> > >
> > > > developers
> > > > documented something then tell how it's actually built. He
> keeps
> > > a
> > > > database
> > > > running in his notebook to prove what he says. Scott's one
> great
> > >
> > > > teacher.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to say...
> > > >
> > > > If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with
> > > Scott
> > > > Gossett
> > > > at Oracle, I highly recommend it.
> > > >
> > > > I wish I knew half of what he knows!
> > > >
> > > > The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it
> should be
> > >
> > > > given a
> > > > higher profile though.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Patrice Boivin
> > > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > > >
> > > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
> > > > Technology Services | Services technologiques
> > > > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
> > > > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
> > > >
> > > > E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
> > > >
> > > >
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