Gee! You know you've made it when you become an HTML tag... :-)
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I find it ironic in several ways that "Oracle Open World" has now become
"Open World". In fact, the name "Open World" itself has a definite irony,
doesn't it?
Does the new name mean that Oracle will no longer be the sole sponsor of the
conference? Will we have MS, Teradata, and IBM presentations and exhibits
at OW2002?
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I don't want to get any individuals in hot water because several on this
list are able to guess identities, so *please* don't!!! But this makes a
good parable illustrating the current situation, with the serious flaw of
being true.
I've an acquaintance who works for Oracle whose abstract was accepted for
IOUG-A "Live 2002" last year. However, Oracle corporate prohibited them
from accepting, because they had not been "approved" by Oracle corporate.
He/She offered to do the presentation on vacation time and pay expenses out
of pocket, but this was rejected because he/she would still be "representing
Oracle". The powers-that-be had not seen the abstract nor the presentation,
so the rejection had nothing to do with content; this was an ordinary
employee who just wasn't on the list of approved people, apparently. So,
Oracle corporate advised submitting the abstract for Open World 2002
instead...
...you guessed it! The abstract was rejected...
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Don't get me wrong -- I do know where and how my bread is buttered and I
thank my luck in finding an industry niche like Oracle where I can make a
great living doing what my ex-cop father still shakes his head about in
wonder.
But it is more and more unsmiling legalistic drones seem to be making the
decisions at the "Big O" these days, no doubt. Kind of makes you yearn for
the "good ol' days" when the place was ruled by rapacious, wide-open sales
people, no?
----- Original Message -----
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:14 AM
> Ok everyone:
>
> <TIM GORMAN TAG>
> <RANT>
> As a member of the OW Conference Team, and I Don't work for Oracle,
there
> are approximately 80 presentations from Oracle "Customers" as they call
> them. Yes it used to be a higher amount, however, Oracle is using OW as a
> marketing show for their products. If you want "Technical" training, come
> to IOUG in Orlando next year. Or even better, submit an abstract for
> 2004!!!
> </RANT>
> </TIM GORMAN TAG>
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
> Product Architect
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> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:49 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Get together at OOW
>
> and you do, of course, work for a major customer of Oracle.
>
> You have never sounded like an Oracle shill at any presentation of
> yours that I have attended. :)
>
> There are non-Oracle employees who present. It's harder and harder to
> get papers accepted, I sometimes feel as if they look at the abstract a
> user submits and think "hm, good topic, let's get one of our people to
> do it".
>
> Rachel
>
> --- Jeremiah Wilton <jwilton_at_speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Connor McDonald wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone remember the days when there were
> > > non-Oracle people allowed to speak at OpenWorlds ? You
> > > know, there were actually presentations that didn't
> > > sound like you had accidentally dropped into a
> > > car-salesman's convention
> >
> > I have spoken at OOW for the last three years, and I have never
> > worked
> > for Oracle. Hopefully, I have never sounded like a shill for Oracle.
> > If anything, I derive perverse pleasure from making fun of Oracle in
> > my presentations, just to see if I can get myself uninvited next
> > year.
> >
> > It is true, that presenters are predominantly Oracle employees, and
> > major Oracle customers and partners. This limits the number of
> > presentations having technical merit. I only attend OOW to present
> > papers, to meet you all, and then only if admission is free.
> >
> > --
> > Jeremiah Wilton
> > http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
> >
> >
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Connor
> > >
> > > --- Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Not this year... we have several highly visible apps
> > > > going live
> > > > anywhere from 10/31 through 11/8 (well, they were
> > > > all scheduled for
> > > > 10/31, all the database group's work is done but the
> > > > developers..) and
> > > > while I am not the production DBA (a refreshing
> > > > change), I still don't
> > > > think be away the first few weeks is advisable.
> > > >
> > > > Rachel
> > > >
> > > > --- John Kanagaraj <john.kanagaraj_at_hds.com> wrote:
> > > > > Jared,
> > > > >
> > > > > Count me in as I live in San Jose, and will drop
> > > > in on any agreed
> > > > > date.
> > > > > Gerardo Molina (of SF, still on this list?) and
> > > > self pulled together
> > > > > a group
> > > > > of illustrious personalities that even included
> > > > Steve Adams (and the
> > > > > Goddess
> > > > > of course!)
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be a pleasure to meet you after all these
> > > > years!
> > > > > John Kanagaraj
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com
> > > > [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:19 PM
> > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > > Subject: Get together at OOW
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear list,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Though I won't be attending OOW, I will be in
> > > > San Francisco during
> > > > > > those same dates ( 11/10 - 11/15), just a couple
> > > > miles from the
> > > > > > Moscone Center where OOW is held.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are there any plans yet among list members to
> > > > get together one
> > > > > > evening? I think Monday is spoken for myself,
> > > > but it would be nice
> > > > > > to meet a few list members another evening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jared
> > > > > >
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