Ok everyone:
<TIM GORMAN TAG>
<RANT>
As a member of the OW Conference Team, and I Don't work for Oracle, there
are approximately 80 presentations from Oracle "Customers" as they call
them. Yes it used to be a higher amount, however, Oracle is using OW as a
marketing show for their products. If you want "Technical" training, come
to IOUG in Orlando next year. Or even better, submit an abstract for
2004!!!
</RANT>
</TIM GORMAN TAG>
Thank You
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Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:49 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Get together at OOW
and you do, of course, work for a major customer of Oracle.
You have never sounded like an Oracle shill at any presentation of
yours that I have attended. :)
There are non-Oracle employees who present. It's harder and harder to
get papers accepted, I sometimes feel as if they look at the abstract a
user submits and think "hm, good topic, let's get one of our people to
do it".
Rachel
- Jeremiah Wilton <jwilton_at_speakeasy.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Connor McDonald wrote:
>
> > Does anyone remember the days when there were
> > non-Oracle people allowed to speak at OpenWorlds ? You
> > know, there were actually presentations that didn't
> > sound like you had accidentally dropped into a
> > car-salesman's convention
>
> I have spoken at OOW for the last three years, and I have never
> worked
> for Oracle. Hopefully, I have never sounded like a shill for Oracle.
> If anything, I derive perverse pleasure from making fun of Oracle in
> my presentations, just to see if I can get myself uninvited next
> year.
>
> It is true, that presenters are predominantly Oracle employees, and
> major Oracle customers and partners. This limits the number of
> presentations having technical merit. I only attend OOW to present
> papers, to meet you all, and then only if admission is free.
>
> --
> Jeremiah Wilton
> http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
>
>
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Connor
> >
> > --- Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Not this year... we have several highly visible apps
> > > going live
> > > anywhere from 10/31 through 11/8 (well, they were
> > > all scheduled for
> > > 10/31, all the database group's work is done but the
> > > developers..) and
> > > while I am not the production DBA (a refreshing
> > > change), I still don't
> > > think be away the first few weeks is advisable.
> > >
> > > Rachel
> > >
> > > --- John Kanagaraj <john.kanagaraj_at_hds.com> wrote:
> > > > Jared,
> > > >
> > > > Count me in as I live in San Jose, and will drop
> > > in on any agreed
> > > > date.
> > > > Gerardo Molina (of SF, still on this list?) and
> > > self pulled together
> > > > a group
> > > > of illustrious personalities that even included
> > > Steve Adams (and the
> > > > Goddess
> > > > of course!)
> > > >
> > > > It would be a pleasure to meet you after all these
> > > years!
> > > > John Kanagaraj
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com
> > > [mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:19 PM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > Subject: Get together at OOW
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear list,
> > > > >
> > > > > Though I won't be attending OOW, I will be in
> > > San Francisco during
> > > > > those same dates ( 11/10 - 11/15), just a couple
> > > miles from the
> > > > > Moscone Center where OOW is held.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there any plans yet among list members to
> > > get together one
> > > > > evening? I think Monday is spoken for myself,
> > > but it would be nice
> > > > > to meet a few list members another evening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jared
> > > > >
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