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Re: Re[2]: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink

From: Ruth Gramolini <rgramolini_at_tax.state.vt.us>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:04:10 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.004E61E9.20021010120410@fatcity.com>


I agree! Stick it to 'em. They do it to us all the time. Ruth ----- Original Message -----
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:24 PM

> From Oracle's Terms of Use on Metalink...
>
> "Confidentiality
> ---------------
> Except for information in Web sites controlled by third parties that are
> accessible via hyperlinks from the MetaLink Web site, the information
> contained in the Materials is the confidential proprietary information of
> Oracle. You may not use, disclose, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise copy
in
> any form or by any means the information contained in the Materials for
any
> purpose, other than to support your authorized use of the Oracle Programs
> for which you hold a supported license from Oracle, without the prior
> written permission of Oracle. Oracle will take reasonable measures to keep
> third parties from obtaining unauthorized access to Technical Assistance
> Requests (TARs) that you submit using the MetaLink Web site; however,
Oracle
> does not guarantee that third parties will not have access to any
> information, comments, feedback, or materials that you submit to Oracle
> through or in association with the MetaLink Web site."
>
> Oracle claims ownership of Jared's script, which it cannot do since it
does
> not own the copy rights. Check copyright law, but there is a strong case
for
> copyright infringement. There is a difference between passing copyrighted
> material on to others (giving someone a book) and claiming ownership
(Look,
> ma, I just wrote this great play called 'Romeo and Juliet'). If Oracle had
> placed a copyright notice or attibution for Jared, I think they are okay,
> but they are passing the script as one of their own.
>
> On the non-legal side, to me there is a big difference between being used
by
> a corporation and used by an individual or other. Any/all of my
> scripts/documents on my website are available for use by anyone who so
> desires for their personal use. If I find that one of my presentation
> becomes part of Jim-Bob's Oracle Consulting Training classes, we are going
> to have to have a talk about fair use. Even if they preserve my copyright
> and/or attribution, they are using it for material gain. Since Oracle
> charges for support and access to Metalink, there may be a case. If they
had
> posted it to OTN or Oracle Mag, which is free to use, it is another story.
>
> Go Get 'Em Jared!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:09 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Dick,
>
> the difference is that Oracle is a corporation that is making money on
> someone else's work. they are quick to hammer the people we work for over
> license issues and, in this case, use someone elses work as a part of
their
> software suite.
>
> it's not right.
>
> Tom Mercadante
> Oracle Certified Professional
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:45 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Jared,
>
> Should you be irritated? I've had some of the things I published on
the
> list put out as gospel elsewhere with my name attached & it's been a real
> pain
> in the ^^$. I don't know. I think I'd feel flattered and relieved that
no
> one
> knows where it came from.
>
> Dick Goulet
>
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Author: Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com>
> Date: 10/10/2002 7:19 AM
>
>
> Not interested in compensation. Just a litte irritated that
> the only change to the script was to remove my name.
>
> Jared
>
> On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:08, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
> > you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying
> > is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking.
> >
> > Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be
> > given.
> >
> > --- John.Hallas_at_vodafone.co.uk wrote:
> > > Jared,
> > > You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a
> > > strong
> > > case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you
> > > should
> > > be credited in the article.
> > > Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of
> > > course.
> > > I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site
> > > for at
> > > least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally
> > > dated
> > > 1998).
> > >
> > > I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a
> > > good
> > > starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are
> > > working now.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear list,
> > >
> > > I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today.
> > >
> > > While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across
> > > document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to
> > > dump a table to an ascii file.
> >
> >
>

http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_data
> >b
> >
> > > ase_id=NOT&p_id=1050919.6
> > >
> > > I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I
> > > saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was
> > > rather reminiscent of file names I use.
> > >
> > > Further perusal revealed that the comments were written
> > > by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to
> > > the dump.sql script years ago.
> > >
> > > See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql
> > >
> > > I don't know whether to be flattered or upset.
> > >
> > > Jared
> > > --
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> > > --
> > > Author: Jared Still
> > > INET: jkstill_at_cybcon.com
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