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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> RE: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteran DBA
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The functionality for Server Manager command-line was migrated in it's
entirety into SQL*Plus (near as I can tell, including ORADEBUG), so Oracle
eliminated svrmgrl not so much as a way of deprecating command-line
utilities in general, but rather to consolidate redundant products...
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Except you still can't select from V$AQ in sqlplus even in 9i... just a teeny little thing... but (per a dozen hits on metalink) it only works in server manager...
ajw
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Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM
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Tim:
I take exception to the age thing here. Yes, I remember rewriting the MVS procs for Oracle's MVS implementation because they never checked to see if MPM was running in the background task manager of SDSF. Add to it that I wrote (helped Oracle) a complete TSO Dialog Manager interface to all of the Oracle tools that ran on the mainframe.
GUI tools hide the "work" involved in solving the problem Go Command Line!!!
Thank You
Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com Web: www.compuware.com -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteranDBA GUI tools are simply a front-end presentation layer for SQL commands. GUI tools do not "bypass" the SQL command-line layer; they only abstract it. Command-line tools (such as SQL*Plus) use the same API as the GUI tools, but simply do a lot less abstraction on the presentation. Command-line tools will never "go the way of the dodo", because they are part of the diagnostic process for GUI tools, if nothing else. Also, since the days of ISPF and JCL (anybody recognize those), on platforms from OS/360 through Windows, it has proven impossible to wean users away from command-line, especially for "batch" processing...
The functionality for Server Manager command-line was migrated in it's entirety into SQL*Plus (near as I can tell, including ORADEBUG), so Oracle eliminated svrmgrl not so much as a way of deprecating command-line utilities in general, but rather to consolidate redundant products...
Yes, i seem to recall whilst on the crashes, dumps and corruptions seminar that it was mentioned that Oracle are moving away from command line tools in favour of GUI tools in much the same way that server manager is no longer available - does anyone know if this is truly the case? Will command line tools go the way of the dodo? I do 99% of my work (be it serious or not) from the command line and would truly miss the choice if it were taken away.
Lewis Bishop
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Oracle's politic is to make us using GUI tools. This is reflected in OCP exams, so I can conclude that for newbies exams become easier while hardcore DBAs might never use GUI tools. Alexandre
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To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 3:03 PM > When people pass exams they tend to say the exam was "easy". > > When they fail the exam they tend to say either "I didn't study enough" or > "It was hard, that one!" > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes > Technology Services | Services technologiques > Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique > Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO > > E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 6:28 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Guys: Is this worth $1,749 for 8 year Oracle veteran > DBA > > Funny, I just heard a seasoned Oracle consultant say > that the 9i exams were considerably more difficult > than the 8i exams. > > > --- "McBain, Neil SITI-ITDSEL314" > <Neil.N.McBain_at_is.shell.com> wrote: > > I have just completed my Oracle 8i OCP DBA using > > only ten years of > > experience and the Sybex books (thoroughly > > recommended, except Backup & > > Recovery does not cover enough RMAN syntax). I > > believe if you sit the 9i OCP > > exams then you do have to attend one Oracle course > > (except if you had sat an > > Oracle 9i exam prior to a certain date this year), > > however you can sit the > > 8i exams and then the 9i upgrade exam without > > requiring the course (or I > > hope this is true, since I am studying for the > > upgrade exam now). Also heard > > an Oracle trainer say that the 9i exams are easier > > then the 8i exams but do > > not now if this is true or not. > > > > Hope this is of help, > > Neil. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: 25 July 2002 23:08 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Also, isn't Oracle now REQUIRING you to go to THEIR > > classes to get your > > certification? > > > > On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 14:19, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: > > > > Paula - I'm skeptical whether a boot camp could > > cover all the material > > > > involved in the OCP tests. I could see where you > > might come out tuned up > > > > enough to whip out a couple of tests, but once you > > got past them, you'd > > > > probably have to do the other tests the hard way -- > > study for them. I would > > > > rate the individual classes as more likely to help > > you through the OCP, one > > > > test at a time. > > > > Dennis Williams > > > > DBA, 20% OCP > > > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > > > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:54 PM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > I have been working hard on Oracle systems at > > various levels - various > > > > platforms, etc. for 8 years. It has been a long > > time since I have taken a > > > > course. Would like to go to IOUG. Reading e-mails > > I have made up my mind - > > > > I think it gives me more options to get certified. > > Problem has been I work > > > > and have 2 small kids. 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