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RE: Rant-Rant

From: Ron Rogers <RROGERS_at_galottery.org>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:53:32 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0049F7BF.20020723075332@fatcity.com>


OH, to be young again and know what I know now. AARP has some nice offers when you travel.

Mentioning the youth in management, At my last job (pre golden handshake) I loved letting my manager know that "I had more time in the company then they had on the face of the earth." . It helped when discussions and decisions had to be made by the group. The wisdom of the silver hair helped.
Ron
ROR mm

>>> wisernet100_at_yahoo.com 07/23/02 09:33AM >>> so sweet. so deluded.

I'm one of the chronological seniors here.. not the oldest I've found but close

on the other hand, AARP (American Association of Retired People) hasn't
started sending me their propaganda yet

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> Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com>
> Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> 22-07-2002 07:08 PM
> Please respond to ORACLE-L
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>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> cc:
> Fax to:
> Subject: RE: Rant-Rant
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>
> Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one
> senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
>
> I *did* look at my boss last week and said "I no longer work 20 hour
> days".
>
> Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant about the fact that
> if
> there is too much work for one person, we will either hire
> consultants
> or the deadlines will be changed. I'd fall in love with him but he's
> way too young for me. :)
>
>
> --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us> wrote:
> > Rachel,
> >
> > you are actually proving my point - that a company does not have
> the
> > luxury
> > (or common sense) to have more than one DBA on staff.
> >
> > Robert's utopia just doesn't fly in todays world. hire one person
> > and
> > work-em till they drop is the current motto.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:24 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > >The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical
> > >organization
> > >will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely
> > have
> >
> >
> >
> > excuse me while I wipe the Diet Coke off the screen that I spit
out
> > when I read this. One DBA per project? Oh God that would be a
> luxury
> > beyond belief.
> >
> > As I type this I am the DBA for:
> >
> > a new data mart/data warehouse project
> > a new content management system project
> > a new ecommerce project
> > the existing "universal login" project AND the replacement project
> > the existing asset management application
> > the existing "community" site (bulletin boards)
> >
> > and anything else that needs a DBA ... and I am it, ain't no
 other
> > DBAs
> > around ......
> >
> > oh yeah, I'm the data architect and data modeler on half these as
> > well... which is REALLY funny as I have almost zero data modeling
> > experience, other than "common sense"
> >
> >
> > --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us> wrote:
> > > OMG! A Socialist in the group!
> > >
> > > "I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we
> ask
> >
> > > ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our

> > > organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and
> > free
> > > up my
> > > time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire
> > > society
> > > better transition to the information era and not marginalize a
> > bunch
> > > of
> > > great people in the process."
> > >
> > > The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical
> > > organization
> > > will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they
rarely
> > > have the
> > > cash for multiple people. So a DBA ends up getting called upon
> do
> > > cross the
> > > boundary between very technical stuff as part of the SA group
and
> > > data
> > > access/design with the applications group. Lots of room in
> between
> > > here for
> > > talented people.
> > >
> > > Tom Mercadante
> > > Oracle Certified Professional
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:23 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been reading this list for the past several months as I
> > > prepare to
> > > move my universe of databases from 7.3 to 9 (probably 9) and I
> have
> > a
> > > rant
> > > of my own.
> > >
> > > It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should
> be
> > or
> > >
> > > should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA.
> > > I have a slightly different take on the situation. It is a
> little
> > > convoluted but I believe that the DBA world needs some
additional
> > job
> > >
> > > classifications. In a decent sized organization, the day to day
> > > management
> > > functions should be accomplished by an Admin DBA who might be
> > someone
> > > who
> > > was perfectly happy spending his/her working career operating a
> > > precision
> > > milling machine at Boeing. Since the machinist jobs are going
> away,
> > I
> > > see
> > > no reason why a competent machinist could not become a competent
> > > admin DBA.
> > > Such a person is not suited by aptitude or disposition to become
> a
> > > Master
> > > Technical DBA, but would do a great job at the admin level.
> > >
> > > I'll extend the analogy a little more: the manufacturing
> > organization
> > > does
> > > not expect the machinist to program the machine. They either
have
> > on
> > > staff
> > > or bring in a numerical control programming specialist.
> Similarly,
> > > the
> > > Admin DBA should know which tasks he/she can perform and which
> > tasks
> > > should
> > > be kicked up or out to the next level.
>

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