Re: Rant-Rant

AARP has already stopped sending me propaganda. I think I am the oldest on the list. RBG
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To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:33 AM

> so sweet. so deluded.
>
> I'm one of the chronological seniors here.. not the oldest I've found
> but close
>
> on the other hand, AARP (American Association of Retired People) hasn't
> started sending me their propaganda yet
>
>
> --- Peter.McLarty_at_mincom.com wrote:
> > I didn't know that they gave Managers jobs to people under 20 :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
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> > Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com>
> > Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> > 22-07-2002 07:08 PM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
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> >
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > cc:
> > Fax to:
> > Subject: RE: Rant-Rant
> >
> >
> > Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one
> > senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
> >
> > I *did* look at my boss last week and said "I no longer work 20 hour
> > days".
> >
> > Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant about the fact that
> > if
> > there is too much work for one person, we will either hire
> > consultants
> > or the deadlines will be changed. I'd fall in love with him but he's
> > way too young for me. :)
> >
> >
> > --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us> wrote:
> > > Rachel,
> > >
> > > you are actually proving my point - that a company does not have
> > the
> > > luxury
> > > (or common sense) to have more than one DBA on staff.
> > >
> > > Robert's utopia just doesn't fly in todays world. hire one person
> > > and
> > > work-em till they drop is the current motto.
> > >
> > > Tom Mercadante
> > > Oracle Certified Professional
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:24 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > >The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical
> > > >organization
> > > >will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely
> > > have
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > excuse me while I wipe the Diet Coke off the screen that I spit out
> > > when I read this. One DBA per project? Oh God that would be a
> > luxury
> > > beyond belief.
> > >
> > > As I type this I am the DBA for:
> > >
> > > a new data mart/data warehouse project
> > > a new content management system project
> > > a new ecommerce project
> > > the existing "universal login" project AND the replacement project
> > > the existing asset management application
> > > the existing "community" site (bulletin boards)
> > >
> > > and anything else that needs a DBA ... and I am it, ain't no other
> > > DBAs
> > > around ......
> > >
> > > oh yeah, I'm the data architect and data modeler on half these as
> > > well... which is REALLY funny as I have almost zero data modeling
> > > experience, other than "common sense"
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us> wrote:
> > > > OMG! A Socialist in the group!
> > > >
> > > > "I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we
> > ask
> > >
> > > > ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our
> > > > organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and
> > > free
> > > > up my
> > > > time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire
> > > > society
> > > > better transition to the information era and not marginalize a
> > > bunch
> > > > of
> > > > great people in the process."
> > > >
> > > > The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical
> > > > organization
> > > > will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely
> > > > have the
> > > > cash for multiple people. So a DBA ends up getting called upon
> > do
> > > > cross the
> > > > boundary between very technical stuff as part of the SA group and
> > > > data
> > > > access/design with the applications group. Lots of room in
> > between
> > > > here for
> > > > talented people.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Mercadante
> > > > Oracle Certified Professional
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:23 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have been reading this list for the past several months as I
> > > > prepare to
> > > > move my universe of databases from 7.3 to 9 (probably 9) and I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > rant
> > > > of my own.
> > > >
> > > > It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should
> > be
> > > or
> > > >
> > > > should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA.
> > > > I have a slightly different take on the situation. It is a
> > little
> > > > convoluted but I believe that the DBA world needs some additional
> > > job
> > > >
> > > > classifications. In a decent sized organization, the day to day
> > > > management
> > > > functions should be accomplished by an Admin DBA who might be
> > > someone
> > > > who
> > > > was perfectly happy spending his/her working career operating a
> > > > precision
> > > > milling machine at Boeing. Since the machinist jobs are going
> > away,
> > > I
> > > > see
> > > > no reason why a competent machinist could not become a competent
> > > > admin DBA.
> > > > Such a person is not suited by aptitude or disposition to become
> > a
> > > > Master
> > > > Technical DBA, but would do a great job at the admin level.
> > > >
> > > > I'll extend the analogy a little more: the manufacturing
> > > organization
> > > > does
> > > > not expect the machinist to program the machine. They either have
> > > on
> > > > staff
> > > > or bring in a numerical control programming specialist.
> > Similarly,
> > > > the
> > > > Admin DBA should know which tasks he/she can perform and which
> > > tasks
> > > > should
> > > > be kicked up or out to the next level.
> >
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