I didn't know that they gave Managers jobs to people under 20 :-)
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Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one
senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant.
I *did* look at my boss last week and said "I no longer work 20 hour
days".
Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant about the fact that if
there is too much work for one person, we will either hire consultants
or the deadlines will be changed. I'd fall in love with him but he's
way too young for me. :)
--- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us> wrote:
> Rachel,
>
> you are actually proving my point - that a company does not have the
> luxury
> (or common sense) to have more than one DBA on staff.
>
> Robert's utopia just doesn't fly in todays world. hire one person
> and
> work-em till they drop is the current motto.
>
> Tom Mercadante
> Oracle Certified Professional
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:24 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> >The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical
> >organization
> >will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely
> have
>
>
>
> excuse me while I wipe the Diet Coke off the screen that I spit out
> when I read this. One DBA per project? Oh God that would be a luxury
> beyond belief.
>
> As I type this I am the DBA for:
>
> a new data mart/data warehouse project
> a new content management system project
> a new ecommerce project
> the existing "universal login" project AND the replacement project
> the existing asset management application
> the existing "community" site (bulletin boards)
>
> and anything else that needs a DBA ... and I am it, ain't no other
> DBAs
> around ......
>
> oh yeah, I'm the data architect and data modeler on half these as
> well... which is REALLY funny as I have almost zero data modeling
> experience, other than "common sense"
>
>
> --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us> wrote:
> > OMG! A Socialist in the group!
> >
> > "I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we ask
>
> > ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our
> > organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and
> free
> > up my
> > time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire
> > society
> > better transition to the information era and not marginalize a
> bunch
> > of
> > great people in the process."
> >
> > The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical
> > organization
> > will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely
> > have the
> > cash for multiple people. So a DBA ends up getting called upon do
> > cross the
> > boundary between very technical stuff as part of the SA group and
> > data
> > access/design with the applications group. Lots of room in between
> > here for
> > talented people.
> >
> > Tom Mercadante
> > Oracle Certified Professional
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:23 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I have been reading this list for the past several months as I
> > prepare to
> > move my universe of databases from 7.3 to 9 (probably 9) and I have
> a
> > rant
> > of my own.
> >
> > It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should be
> or
> >
> > should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA.
> > I have a slightly different take on the situation. It is a little
> > convoluted but I believe that the DBA world needs some additional
> job
> >
> > classifications. In a decent sized organization, the day to day
> > management
> > functions should be accomplished by an Admin DBA who might be
> someone
> > who
> > was perfectly happy spending his/her working career operating a
> > precision
> > milling machine at Boeing. Since the machinist jobs are going away,
> I
> > see
> > no reason why a competent machinist could not become a competent
> > admin DBA.
> > Such a person is not suited by aptitude or disposition to become a
> > Master
> > Technical DBA, but would do a great job at the admin level.
> >
> > I'll extend the analogy a little more: the manufacturing
> organization
> > does
> > not expect the machinist to program the machine. They either have
> on
> > staff
> > or bring in a numerical control programming specialist. Similarly,
> > the
> > Admin DBA should know which tasks he/she can perform and which
> tasks
> > should
> > be kicked up or out to the next level.
> >
> > So maybe some of the energy spent on this list about relevance of
> the
> > OCP
> > and discussing qualifications of DBAs (against an unspecified
> > standard)
> > could be spent defining organizational strategies for getting the
> > best use
> > out of human capital represented by "Admin DBAs" and pricing the
> > skill set
> > appropriately. The worst possible thing is to get an Admin DBA into
> a
> >
> > Technical DBA position.
> >
> > I think the key breakthrough is the notion that there is a DBA
> track
> > that
> > does not inevitably lead to Master Technical DBA. That is why I use
> > the
> > machinist analogy: somebody who is satisfied with a career spending
> > 25
> > years doing essentially the same thing. If you are into
> Myers-Briggs
> > type
> > indicator, I think the personality dimension is SJ and roughly 25%
> of
> > the
> > population fits this profile.
> >
> > I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we ask
> > ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our
> > organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and
> free
> > up my
> > time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire
> > society
> > better transition to the information era and not marginalize a
> bunch
> > of
> > great people in the process. (Sez the man operating a three person
>
> > software company).
> >
> > Re: Hotbackups.
> > In the last three months I have adapted the scripts from the Kevin
> > Loney
> > book for 4 separate databases.
> > I have inspected them very carefully to make sure all of the files
> > are the
> > there.
> > I think that I understand the what, how and why of hot backups.
> > And I still had to go look to see that it was an alter tablespace
> > rather
> > than an alter database command to backup the tablespace.
> >
> > re Politics:
> > Given the rather idealistic tone of this missive, I guess I should
> > add that
> > I am down the middle Libertarian who tends to vote Republican
> because
> > I'm
> > most concerned about taxes.
> >
> > At 06:58 AM 7/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Ok, I need to vent a little.
> > >
> > >Last week, I was asked to do some tech interviews over
> > >the phones for a mid level DBA position. Someone with
> > >about 2-3 years experience.
> > >
> > >I don't consider myself a real smart DBA, nor do I
> > >think that I ask particularly tough questions. The
>
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