RE: runInstaller

My ignorant 2 cents. I have an x-terminal so I thought, "No problem"... After using the new installer 3 or 4 times, I would much rather have the old line mode installer. For me the resource problem is the xterm. My servers have no problem running this stuff. But when I crank this dog up from from xterm, the xterm's lights dim...I can't touch any of the other open windows or even move them around, I actually can't fix the tiny fonts (information on this didn't apply), and the gui controls are "funky" (technical term) and not very, um, responsive. I know a lot of this is probably due to inadequate memory on the xterm (which I can't do anything about at the moment)...but so far I fail to see the value added. The motif gui worked better for me too if I chose to use it. I guess I'll have to break down and get an x-windows client for my PC...it, of course, has lots of memory.

On a more positive note, I do remote installs too but haven't tried this from home yet...meaning I've done both local and remote installs (ie: across our WAN) at work and the remote installs didn't seem to be any worse than the local installs.

Kip Bryant

|1) Production shop, obviously your not installing Oracle that much. But a
|development shop is regularly installing Oracle. It would seem that people
|with a "command line" background appreciate the power, flexibility, speed,
|and therefore crave a command line installer. While people with a "GUI"
|background appreciate the comfort of GUI. Click your radio buttons, click
|Next. Click Help if your stuck, etc.

|2/3) Yes, Java is everywhere for a reason. But real cross platform
|development....Perl....(hoping for that free book from Jared..(grin))

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|Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:24 PM
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|All this ranting is nice but consider the following:

|1) You do not install oracle on a server so much.
|In fact, in our shop this is done by the technical
|people, not the DBA. The DBA got the machine with
|oracle already installed and just build the database.

|2) When you have to do cross platform development
|Java is the tool to save on resources.

|3) Any machine that's need to run a production database
|should be strong enough to run Java ok.

|Yechiel Adar (not an oracle employee)
|Mehish
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|> Me thinks this was done to check off some boxes to indicate that Oracle is
|> "easy" to install and maintain (OEM). These are boxes that SQL Server had
|> checked off (I guess) for a long time, and Oracle didn't. And Oracle can
|> check the Java box a few dozen times now. "Oracle is now easier for your
|> (in)experienced IT shop to setup and maintain.", Oracle sales guy rants
|and
|> raves. "And you don't need to pay for those over-priced experienced DBAs
|> anymore!!!", he exclaims. CIOs eyes glaze over...
|>
|> I am getting tired of W2K, and yearn to get back to Solaris....or any
|*NIX.
|> Sigh.
|>
|> -----Original Message-----
|> [mailto:Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil]
|> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:24 PM
|> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|>
|>
|> Oh the system does. That's a given. There is no need to java-fy
|> everything. There was a perfectly good working installer. Not everyone
|> wants to jump through the hoops of setting up xservers and watching all
|your
|> RAM consumed by the JRE.
|>
|> Perl and Perl TK are multi-platform, small footprint, etc. OEM 1.6 still
|> had mostly Tcl/TK pieces and parts and ran fast and reliably. Not so for
|> OEM 2.x. Give me a command line back for installs. That's not too much
|to
|> ask, right?
|>
|> Scott Shafer
|> San Antonio, TX
|> 210-581-6217
|>
|>
|> > -----Original Message-----
|> > From: Ray Stell [SMTP:stellr_at_cns.vt.edu]
|> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:48 PM
|> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
|> > Subject: Re: runInstaller
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> > You might look at silent mode install, Note:73510.1
|> >
|> > I have found that on really hot machines oui is a screamer. It could be
|> > your system needs a facelift.
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:47:19PM -0800,
|Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil
|> > wrote:
|> > > What I wouldn't give for "./orainst /c" right now.
|> > >
|> > > <RANT>
|> > >
|> > > Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI when it
|> > takes
|> > > hours and hours just to load up all the java crap! Piece of garbage
|is
|> > > enough to make me want to go back to 7.3.4 - and shoot the idiot who
|> > thought
|> > > up java...
|> > >
|> > > </RANT>
|> > >
|> > > Thankyou. I feel better about hating 9iAS now.
|> > >
|> > >
|> > > Scott Shafer
|> > > San Antonio, TX
|> > > 210-581-6217
|> > >
|> > >
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